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#435840 - 06/11/13 05:30 PM Re: The Respect of your Instructor. [Re: jabber]
cxt Offline
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jabber

Ok...cool.

Thank you.
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#435846 - 06/12/13 08:50 AM Re: The Respect of your Instructor. [Re: jabber]
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Jabber,

Quote:
My sensei has shown me no disrespect, he is above that sort of behaviour


That is my misunderstanding. I thought that you were saying that after training at another club you were left with cold receptions, felt like just a number and had to cower in the corner without your instructors respect. Was this was an example?

I think it is a very good topic as I (we both) feel that respect is a very important part in MA training. I wonder to what degree respect has to be earned by the STUDENT?

I remember ‘old school’ stories of pupils having to wait outside the dojo for weeks in the cold before being invited in and allowed to train for free. How true or common place this was I don’t know.

Now-a-days at least, clubs often actively seeking members and with fee’s often high (as discussed here Value for money if you have an opinion), surely the instructor ‘owes’ the student a higher level of initial respect.

This of course would have to be balanced out with decisions of what/how to teach a student (e.g. higher risk methods etc)

I do disagree with you on one point:

Quote:
I had been the one to disrespect him by paying money elsewhere.


I do not think it is disrespectful to train at another school, pay someone else for training or indeed to choose to leave an instructor to train elsewhere – especially if you are honest and upfront about your actions.

Good topic.

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#435853 - 06/12/13 02:10 PM Re: The Respect of your Instructor. [Re: jabber]
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Yes Aplant, the cowering in the corner was an example in the hope of getting a thread started.
Personally I could not learn in a dojo where I have no respect from my instructor. I would lose interest very soon and move on.

As it stands I have lost some of his interest but know that I can pull this back by keeping a low profile and working hard.

I agree with you re training elsewhere is not disrespectful (as long as they are two different styles) but the issue here is that my original teacher offered me a free pass unaware that I was spending (albeit is a very small amount of) money elsewhere. I totally understand how that is wrong.

I love the old school story of students waiting outside!

The only story I have regarding required loyalty in the extreme is about my first (mc)dojo.
Our sensei started to award preference to members who joined the church that he had become a part of.
He lost over 10 members in one day with a mass walkout - thankfully I was away already and didn't have to witness that.

In response to his actions (there were many issues about quick belt awards in return for unpaid work) a few members set up an anti- mcdojo website to warn others...

Surely there should be a tv drama based in a mcdojo. Would beat the hell outta some of the stuff shown on Tv!
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#435856 - 06/12/13 09:39 PM Re: The Respect of your Instructor. [Re: jabber]
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Registered: 08/24/05
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Respect is a two-way street.
I have had the opportunity to be a student in three different aikido dojo.

Six years with an instructor who drilled the techniques as listed in the test form.
I truly learned in the muscle memory sense of the word.
A certain attack and aikido "happened" (I loved it) ( He moved on )

13 years with a "traditional" instructor who demonstrated endless variations,
It was our job as students to figure out how these variations were related.
He came highly recommended. After 4 years I gave up hope of learning
anything but patience.
His was the only truly "Good" school in town. I still go there for the camaraderie.

Three years now at a quality dojo with a quality instructor. He explains the moves and sticks with the student until each is able to perform the technique.

I wish I had had the choice when I started in 1994 and that I had understood the various differences in theories of instruction.



Edited by iaibear (06/12/13 09:47 PM)

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#435858 - 06/13/13 04:58 AM Re: The Respect of your Instructor. [Re: jabber]
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Turning into a good thread

Respect is a 2 way thing, training at another Dojo along side you core style is not a reason for disrespect.

The mass walk out to me is an issue as to what kind of Instructor your Sensei is. there must have been some kinds of discussions prior to this happening.

For me I keep my Dojo separate from my work life, my family life and my Religious and political views as I am there to teach karate NOT dictate where they work, who they are in relationships with, how they worship or who they vote for
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