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#435794 - 05/30/13 08:08 AM Where Are They Now?
Dobbersky Offline
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Just Wondering where have all the old school guys gone.

I've not seen posts like I used to from the likes of Brad (Butterfly) & Razorfoot and other well versed Martial Artists

I know we still have some of the old school here, but I'm becoming one of them by default. I know due to work load unable to add as much as I want but still logg on to see whats going

Wondering if the guys from old can just say hi on this thread and give an update as to whats new with them


Edited by Dobbersky (05/30/13 08:09 AM)
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#435797 - 06/01/13 11:09 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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I agree.
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#435800 - 06/01/13 09:06 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
cxt Offline
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For better or worse--and presuming I count as "old school" for the site.

Hi. smile

What I have noticed is that over the years the number of people with questions seen to have gone way down. And that seems to be the case for most MA sites these days.

Things go in cycles---even websites.

I miss reading the POV of the old school folks as well--Oldman, etc....... (TO MANY TO NAME frown )
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#435801 - 06/03/13 07:48 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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With respect, I've heard the whole "goes in cycles" thing before and I'm not sure that's what this is. These forums have been in decline for well over 2 years now with no real sign of picking up. Heck, there are sub forums on here that haven't been posted in for 2-3 years (like the Pressure point forum).

Other MA site forums at the moment are positively thriving.

I can't tell you why that is happening, but I think there is more to it than being cyclical. I think one reason is that there are lot more specialist forums now online than before. Really good forums dealing with specific arts. So say a person is only interested in Aikido, Chinese Internal Arts or BJJ, there are really good forums for these subjects.

So I guess part of the reason for the decline on FA forums is increased competition from other MA forums.
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#435802 - 06/03/13 10:02 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
harlan Offline
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It's a derelict site due to an absentee landlord and moderator neglect.


Edited by harlan (06/03/13 10:03 AM)

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#435803 - 06/03/13 11:12 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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People register for the site every day, but they aren't posting.
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#435804 - 06/03/13 12:10 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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When I first came onboard, instructions encouraged me to observe for a while and if what I wanted to know was something specific that had previously been chewed to death, I could look it up in . . . . .

I just now tried to find where I could look and couldn't find it.

Does that give you a hint?


Edited by iaibear (06/03/13 12:12 PM)

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#435805 - 06/03/13 01:23 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
cxt Offline
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Prize

You may be right at that.

And other sites might well be doing a lot of traffic--right now. That might change over time.
My guess is that in 5 years time the sites currently jumping will look very much like FA.

Maybe we got too nice. wink

Sites that offer a strong exchange of views seem to do well in terms of hits/views. Might be we got a little to civilized.

Also possible that over a 10 year span people that used to practice have stopped. 10 years is a long time.

You might have really hit the nail on the head with the "style specific" point. Back when the site opened few if any styles were heavily represented on-line. Now days EVERYBODY seems to have a school-specific site. So maybe there is less perceived need for FA.

What can we do to help bring the site back?





Edited by cxt (06/03/13 02:08 PM)
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#435807 - 06/05/13 10:50 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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Trolls or nothing. What a choice.

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#435808 - 06/05/13 04:19 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
cxt Offline
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iaibear

I certainly hope that is not the only choices.
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#435809 - 06/05/13 04:52 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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Well, we did have a couple short ones going on "kata" and "bunkai".

They started on specialty forums in Martial Arts I don't practice.
But both are common to MA I still practice after twenty years.

It was interesting to see how other people viewed and defined both terms.

BTW in our iaido class we thought of "kata" as a physical example of all standard attacks and defenses (a catalog, so to speak).
And while "kata" were each a kind of playlet, "bunkai" were the playlet's script.

Forgive me, sensei, if my memory is off.

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#435810 - 06/06/13 11:24 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
cxt Offline
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Folks

This thread got me thinking--the site ain't what it used to be--and has not been for some time.

Traffic is way down.

Is there anything we can do to help breath a little more life into it?

Any way we could get the "old guard" to come back and post more often?

Ideas?

Going to re-post this as stand alone.
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#435838 - 06/11/13 02:38 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
MAGon Offline
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Hi.
Don't know if I count as old school or not, but here's my two cents: In my case, it's just a question of the most interesting topics having already been discussed. And granted, there are MA topics ad infinitum, but the most interesting ones are gotten to first. And I've been a member here a looong time.
Every once in a while, I cruise by to see if anything interesting to me AND new has cropped up. Not for a while.
Don't get me wrong, it's not that intelligent discussion isn't to be found here anymore. It's that I can usually remember at least one thread where a JKogas, a butterfly or a JohnL has taken the subject on extensively (And, in the case of this last, has as a bonus had the entertainment value of his telling a deserving ignoramus that "You are clearly an idiot"!).

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#435839 - 06/11/13 02:39 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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P.S.: If you think these forums are moribund, cruise over to E-Budo.
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#435841 - 06/11/13 05:32 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
cxt Offline
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MAGon

Good to hear from you.

BTW--E-budo might well be in the process of making a come-back as well.....maybe.
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#435842 - 06/11/13 08:53 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: cxt]
MAGon Offline
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Originally Posted By: cxt
MAGon

Good to hear from you.

BTW--E-budo might well be in the process of making a come-back as well.....maybe.


Hey, bud! smile
As to E-Budo: Fingers crossed!
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#435843 - 06/11/13 10:01 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: MAGon]
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"most interesting topics having already been discussed. "

But most of the "New Guys" never got a chance to discuss them.

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#435844 - 06/12/13 07:36 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
cxt Offline
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iai


So how do we get the "new guys" to discuss?

Any ideas?

Honestly just asking--mainly because I have no idea myself.
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#435848 - 06/12/13 09:04 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: iaibear]
MAGon Offline
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Originally Posted By: iaibear
"most interesting topics having already been discussed. "

But most of the "New Guys" never got a chance to discuss them.


The "New Guys" is a different, though related, kettle of fish.
From what someone wrote, above, they seem to be there and are reading a lot. It's the writing and participating thing that's problematic.
I can't really think of a solution. There's years worth of good stuff to read here. I went back for the heck of it and pulled my posts, just to look over the threads I participated in over the years. I intended to spend 1/2 hr. at most. Wound up hooked and investing several hours reading.
Lets also not forget the bigger world out there. Some of the old timers may have been pinched by the economic times, or just preoccupied by other concerns. I keep in touch with Brad (butterfly) and the last thing we talk about is the MAs. His toddler, my teen, house improvement projects, family matters, etc. is what we discuss. And that's when we manage to find time. Life, my friends, life.
So I suppose the bright side is y'ain't dead if yer being read. The more so if there's at least some active discussion going on. I guess there'll come a point when the readers will absorb enough to start asking questions... Or not. Shigata ga nai.

P.S.: Just had a thought. Sometimes informed discussion by people who know their stuff can be very intimidating to those less knowledgeable. One of you guys was talking about a stand alone post. Perhaps in that post it would be useful to say something along the lines of "there's no such thing as a dumb question" and "jump in, we don't bite".
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#435849 - 06/12/13 09:13 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
aplant Offline
Just interested.
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Perhaps we need to reformulate to forum rules?
Quote:
Please use the forums search function before submitting new topics

Relevant when the site had lots of contributors. Some topics have been discussed before….in 2003

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#435852 - 06/12/13 11:26 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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I just created a global thread inviting new people to submit any questions they have about martial arts.

There have been several people registering for the forums lately, hopefully that will get them talking and sharing.
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#435855 - 06/12/13 02:32 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
MAGon Offline
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BTW, not having posted in a while, I hadn't noticed: Who killed all the cool smilies/emoticons we used to have? mad
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#435867 - 06/14/13 04:03 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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I'm still here. I'm just on hiatus due to injury.

Not sure if I count as old though. I usually check back every couple of weeks.
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#436209 - 04/02/14 11:38 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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I saw this post and thought I would comment as I haven't logged in for quite a while. The issue really is that asking questions and getting answers on forums like this is quite out of date. if you want to learn you go to YouTube (instead of trusting the word of someone you have no idea of whether they have skills or not). For a community, then there is facebook, meetup.com etc. I'm not saying forums still don't have their place, but it needs to be in conjunction with other social media.

Maybe try Using the forum to link it all together?

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#436211 - 04/09/14 05:54 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
cxt Offline
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UKfightfreak

You might well be right.

I get the sense people really don't want to discuss much these days.

Honestly many of the topics have already been hashed out.

I also get the sense---in general---that people are being steered to their own styles facebook etc. instead of looking for independent, multi-style sites.

I think it might be an excellent idea to link the forums with other social media.
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#436212 - 04/11/14 09:39 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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Agreed
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#436217 - 04/16/14 08:29 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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I'm afraid for this site if we advertise in something like Facebook that "weirdos" of the new age will come here and maybe learn a thing or two and use it for evil, like hurting people. Just a idea- take it or leave it.

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#436262 - 07/01/14 08:22 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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First time I've been back on this board in quite some time. Thought it was time to check in and visit old friends. I (kinda) miss the old days a bit. I hope everyone is doing ok!

-John

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#436264 - 07/03/14 01:06 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
cxt Offline
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JKogas

Hey man!

Good to hear from you.

I for one, have missed your POV.

Hope your doing well.
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#436265 - 07/03/14 07:24 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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CXT! Great to chat with you again! It's been so long since I've been here, and I wanted to check in and see what was going on and see if some of the guys/gals were still here. I will have to check in more frequently, for sure. Hope you are doing well yourself!

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#436273 - 07/11/14 03:32 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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Hi Guys,

In my case, I just stopped training. It kind of hurt to be involved in forums when I wasn't doing anything.

Just in for a flying visit now to ask a question on the Krav Maga forum... if it still exists...
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#436276 - 07/14/14 08:36 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
cxt Offline
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trevek

Good to hear from you.
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#436278 - 07/14/14 04:57 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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Thanks cxt, hope you're well.

I notice the main page still advertises discussions on the forum from 2004!
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#436297 - 07/29/14 07:53 AM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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Its amazing, I hope this forum lasts the test of time, there's loads of information on here and some decent guys too
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#436320 - 08/26/14 04:05 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
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Hey! joined the forums about 2004? I think my persona/role was a mix of instigator, comic relief and anti-fraud-google-estigator. I left the forums around '06 (edit: I mean 2009). I stopped training shortly after some health issues and coincidentally lost all interest in MA training. I've kept active, but just recently I started working out again regularly (joined crossfit). I've been more interested in building overall strength instead of pursuing the search for deadly technique in kata. (see what I did there? Set up a strawman to insinuate one can't build overall strength while training kata. smile )

don't worry, I'm not back here - just stopping in and saying hey.



Edited by Ed_Morris (08/26/14 09:00 PM)
Edit Reason: inaccurate year

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#436363 - 11/19/14 06:06 PM Re: Where Are They Now? [Re: Dobbersky]
harlan Offline
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Oh...passing through.

Missing the 'fighting.farts' of old.

Happy Holidays and best to you bunch of jerks.

*hugs*

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