FightingArts Estore
Pressure Points
From a medical professional, straight facts on where and how to hit that can save your life.
Stretching
Limber or not, anyone can add height and speed to their kicks with this method.
Calligraphy
For yourself or as a gift, calligraphy is special, unique and lasting.
Karate Uniforms
Look your best. Max snap. low cost & superior crafted: “Peak Performance Gold” 16 oz uniforms.

MOTOBU
Classic book translation. Hard to find. Not in stores.
Who's Online
0 registered (), 39 Guests and 3 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
SenseiGregT, sagat, JFawkes, pluckysaga39, sgtdemeo
22911 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
AndyLA 5
Dobbersky 5
Ed_Morris 4
futsaowingchun 3
ergees 3
September
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30
New Topics
2014 World Championships Chelyabinsk: The Gallery
by ergees
Today at 03:51 AM
Biu Tzu- Snake hand strike
by futsaowingchun
08/27/14 09:02 PM
Chum Kiu 2nd section applications
by futsaowingchun
08/20/14 09:54 PM
2013 World Championship Rio: The Gallery (HD)
by ergees
08/19/14 05:22 AM
Chi Sao demonstration
by futsaowingchun
08/14/14 10:57 PM
Decent Fight channel
by FrankyFruits
08/07/14 09:19 PM
2014 European Championships Cadets Athens: Videos
by ergees
08/07/14 10:00 AM
Life goes on....
by Dobbersky
08/07/14 05:59 AM
An open letter to bunkai researchers...
by Bartfast
08/05/14 04:18 PM
ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate????
by Dobbersky
07/10/14 07:14 AM
Recent Posts
2014 World Championships Chelyabinsk: The Gallery
by ergees
Today at 03:51 AM
** Introduce Yourself! **
by Zombie Zero
08/29/14 10:50 PM
mindfullness meditation
by log1call
08/28/14 02:39 AM
Biu Tzu- Snake hand strike
by futsaowingchun
08/27/14 09:02 PM
An open letter to bunkai researchers...
by Ed_Morris
08/26/14 09:58 PM
The Karate punch
by Ed_Morris
08/26/14 09:27 PM
Chum Kiu 2nd section applications
by futsaowingchun
08/20/14 09:54 PM
2013 World Championship Rio: The Gallery (HD)
by ergees
08/19/14 05:22 AM
attacked from behind
by AndyLA
08/16/14 04:59 PM
ITF TaeKwonDo or Shotokan Karate????
by VDJ
08/15/14 05:46 PM
Forum Stats
22911 Members
36 Forums
35573 Topics
432484 Posts

Max Online: 424 @ 09/24/13 10:38 PM
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
#435198 - 05/22/12 12:20 PM Self Defence attacks!
Dobbersky Offline
Peace Works!!!!
Enthusiast

Registered: 03/13/06
Posts: 913
Loc: Manchester United Kingdom
All

I wonder to myself many times why do traditional arts or those claiming to be "real" martial arts STILL use the following attacks in the Dojo to train their students? In all my years I have never been attacked this way and neither have any of my students. Have you ever been attacked this way in "real" situations etc?







_________________________
A man is but the product of his thoughts what he thinks, he becomes.

Ken

Top
#435199 - 05/22/12 04:36 PM Re: Self Defence attacks! [Re: Dobbersky]
gojuman59 Offline
Member

Registered: 04/08/11
Posts: 224
Loc: Missouri
I've wondered the same thing, Dobberskysan. I think the old obverse punch attack is just easier to use in training.... Not practical. We all should be so lucky if attacked in the manner that are depicted in those pictures.Hey, I would be fairly tough if I only had to defend against lunge punches and low strikes like that.We all would. The problem is there are some karate people that only train this way. It becomes quite robotic and doesn't prepare one for the real world of self-defense.

Top
#435202 - 05/22/12 06:00 PM Re: Self Defence attacks! [Re: gojuman59]
Matakiant Offline
Member

Registered: 02/08/11
Posts: 117
No never and I never will probably unless I insult a traditional karateka enough times.

Most ''attacks'' come unexpected.

And most confrontations leading to violence will happen at a fairly close range (unless you stop the person from getting close to you which isn't always possible) and most people will draw back their arm and throw a wide swing at you like a haymaker type... A lot may try to headbutt you if they get close enough and so on... I don't feel like 90% of traditional karate teaches anything related to self defense or even good strikes...

I still am a purist I believe that what really is karate is quite amazing but the last 100 years or so have really given birth to something very odd and not martially accurate in my opinion... And that type of karate is more popular.

Rigid forms and certain mystery akin to kata, bunkai and what else draw in people who were raised on BS Martial Art movies.

And even if not it's always easier to believe in something a bit mysterious such as doing a kata and fighting an imagined opponent will make you able to fight against a real person. Than hard work in the form of drills, mitts, bags, spars and physical training.

Top
#435205 - 05/23/12 01:03 PM Re: Self Defence attacks! [Re: Matakiant]
Chen Zen Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 7043
Loc: Ms
This isnt a problem just with Karate, but with Many TMA. TKD for example. What I offer is this. At some point, if you are serious about MA, then you have to take an objective look at what your doing and decide if it is appropriate for your needs. If your needs are self defense, and you have looked at your style without bias, and you still practice this way, well then you probably were never gonna be the next chuck norris anyways.
_________________________
"When I let Go of who I am, I become who I might be."
Lao Tzu

Top
#435209 - 05/24/12 01:50 PM Re: Self Defence attacks! [Re: Chen Zen]
Matakiant Offline
Member

Registered: 02/08/11
Posts: 117
MA should always teach self defense if it doesn't then it isn't a Martial Art...

What we mostly have these days is Martial SPORT.

And unless it's full contact it teaches pretty much nothing about self defense.

Even full contact doesn't teach you everything about self defense. At least half of self defense should deal with being attacked without warning, weapons & the possibility of multiple attackers.

Top
#435210 - 05/24/12 02:16 PM Re: Self Defence attacks! [Re: Matakiant]
gojuman59 Offline
Member

Registered: 04/08/11
Posts: 224
Loc: Missouri
I agree Matakiant. The flow of martial sports (Going after your opponent) to "score more" or "knock out" is a totally different mind set. It's a cumulative group of techniques under a given set of rules. The means to an end is to win the contest. Most of the techniqes don't fare as well in a self-defense scenario.

Mark

Top
#435213 - 05/25/12 12:40 AM Re: Self Defence attacks! [Re: gojuman59]
Chen Zen Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 02/09/03
Posts: 7043
Loc: Ms
Theproblem with that is that many"sport" guys dont agree,stating that they could use there art for defense. These places are often blackbelt factories, which is why it means so little now.
_________________________
"When I let Go of who I am, I become who I might be."
Lao Tzu

Top
#435214 - 05/25/12 08:44 AM Re: Self Defence attacks! [Re: Chen Zen]
gojuman59 Offline
Member

Registered: 04/08/11
Posts: 224
Loc: Missouri
Originally Posted By: Chen Zen
Theproblem with that is that many"sport" guys dont agree,stating that they could use there art for defense. These places are often blackbelt factories, which is why it means so little now.


I agree...... I was one of them.

Top
#435216 - 05/25/12 12:31 PM Re: Self Defence attacks! [Re: Matakiant]
Dobbersky Offline
Peace Works!!!!
Enthusiast

Registered: 03/13/06
Posts: 913
Loc: Manchester United Kingdom
Originally Posted By: Matakiant
MA should always teach self defense if it doesn't then it isn't a Martial Art...

What we mostly have these days is Martial SPORT.

And unless it's full contact it teaches pretty much nothing about self defense.

Even full contact doesn't teach you everything about self defense. At least half of self defense should deal with being attacked without warning, weapons & the possibility of multiple attackers.


Very much agree with this statement!

It s like you either have to train for competition OR train for self defence, different ethos different way of doing things different rules set etc.

I suppose this is why you never see Aikido and Hapkido in the Cage as they are not Competition focused
_________________________
A man is but the product of his thoughts what he thinks, he becomes.

Ken

Top
#435217 - 05/26/12 10:25 AM Re: Self Defence attacks! [Re: Dobbersky]
colman fink Offline
Newbie

Registered: 04/05/12
Posts: 20
Loc: Massachusetts, USA
To me full contact means scratching, groping, hair pulling, shoving your thumb into someone's eye sockets, spitting, smacking across the head with a heavy object, growling like a rabid dog and biting, etc. In other words if you feel you're in serious danger in an unavoidable confrontation, everything goes. However if you can, first try to avoid the confrontation like maybe running away. Any serious study of the martial arts requires serious study of the use of weapons. One of the main points about learning weapons is that if attacked with a weapon, you have a better handle on how to defend yourself against that weapon if you understand the strong and weak points about that weapon.

Now if you look at those karate illustrations above, put a knife in the hand and then it changes the picture totally ... thrust to the head or body and a downward slash to the artery on the insides of the thigh. It doesn't take a lot with a bladed weapon to do a lot of damage. Also most karateka who have trained for a long time will not fight as shown in those illustrations ... stances will be so much shorter or probably with just a half turn of the fist. Those moves in kihon or kata are training purposes to help build speed, agility and power. If they still think one fights like that, then they need to find another instructor.

There are many things TMA teaches you (countless blogs on this) and self defense is just one aspect of it.
_________________________
Yuishinkai Kobujutsu USA - http://www.yuishinkai.info
Martial Arts with Colman - http://www.martialartswithcolman.com

Top
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >


Moderator:  Cord, Dedicated1, MattJ, Reiki 




Action Ads
1.5 Million Plus Page Views
Monthly
Only $89
Details

Self Defense
Offering stun guns, pepper spray, tasers and other self defense products not available in stores.

Pepper Spray
Online distributor of self defense supplies like videos, stun guns, Tasers and more.

Spy Cameras
Surveillance, Hidden Cameras, Nanny Cams, Digital Recorders, Spy Equipment, Pocket DVR's and more

Stun Gun
Wholesale Directlhy to the Public! Stun gun and Taser Guns and personal protection products. Keep your loved ones at home safe!

 

Unbreakable Unbrella

krav maga