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#435173 - 05/08/12 12:26 PM Re: Kukki Sparring or Chang Hon Sparring? [Re: gojuman59]
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LOL@"You got me"

It almost sounded like I had a gun to you. The truth is we can all stand to be a little more open minded every now and then. As I thought about what I was posting yesterday, I came to a realization and that was this; If I put a label to the things I do in my art, which one could or would I pick? A front kick or reverse punch is the same in countless different arts. I could be called a karateka, a practitioner of TKD, a Kung Fu artist or a MMA fighter. The lists are endless. At the end of the day, all of the titles would be fitting but also untrue at the same time. The way they do things are the same physically, and the while some ideas differ, the main idea remains the same, defense. So in a sense what has been viewed as different by many simply by title has been the one and same thing. What defines an art is its artists. The art cannot define the artists as it must be produced from the artist. I am no lnger a TMA, or a MMA, or even a Martial Artist. I am simply, Me.

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#435177 - 05/09/12 03:17 PM Re: Kukki Sparring or Chang Hon Sparring? [Re: Chen Zen]
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Have done IFT and WTF sparring.

Speed, strength, avoidance, blocking, parring, countering, etc ... these are ALL prevelant of Kukki Sparring. What I find is that the person utilizing the skills will determine how they will fight; personal preference. Than this person will teach and of course will teach their strengths so when attending their school it may be lacking it other areas. I got lucky, each of the skills were taught equally and then you used what worked for you. While I had speed I went more for strength. I wasn't as quick so blocked more and countered.

And we were NEVER trained to have our hands at our sides; who ever thinks this is wrong. In fact in our school if your hands dropped at any time in drills or sparring your whole group had to do burpies, jumping jacks, etc. It was drilled in at all time to keep your hands up. Again those dropping their hands while sparring is a personal preference not indictive to Kukki/WTF Sparring as I have seen and endless amount of video of ITF practitioners doing the exact same.

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I guess it all comes down to what is your motivation to train. If it is pure sport (no SD) then kukki style TKD is probably for you.However, if you want to learn some self defense and still compete in sparring the Chan Hon is a better choice.


I took offense to this. You are assuming that WTF/Kukki only teach sport; WRONG. Lots of schools focus on self defense and do sparring however it is not sport sparring. If you want sport than you joined the fight team which was separate and in addition to the regular training. That would be like me comparing the classes of ITF I took and saying all schools were the same; poor training and conditioning. One school should NEVER be compared to another. Not all schools or Instructors are the same qualilty.
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#435179 - 05/10/12 12:16 PM Re: Kukki Sparring or Chang Hon Sparring? [Re: Dereck]
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Sorry Dereck. I didn't want too offend you. You must have trained in a good school. I stand by statements though. There are exceptions in both styles. It just was my experience that alot of the sloppy techniques of both types of sparrring didn't translate to good self-defense. Once again this is only my opinion and experience. Most of the ranges needed for SD is closer than what one typically uses in TKD of either style.


Mark

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#435180 - 05/10/12 05:43 PM Re: Kukki Sparring or Chang Hon Sparring? [Re: gojuman59]
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I think there are a wide range of school out there for every martial art; some good, some bad and some ugly. Yes, it was a very good school and wish the Instructor did not more on. He brought so much to the school that even he felt that perhaps it wasn't Taekwondo though it most certainly was the base and what the belts represented. And it was plain to see that students were better off than many schools.

Like I said it was Taekwondo based, mixed with BJJ. And because he also fought MMA, many of those skills were brought in. He brought in other Instructors from schools to cross train us. He brought in a black belt BJJ professor on a few occassions. Had a local high ranking Judo guy come in. Had a coach of the University for Roman Greco Wrestling. He brought in guys he trained MMA with. He brought in some boxers. He felt there were holes in the self defense and wanted to make us aware what was out there. Always said if you want to get good at something that to train on our own else where as well and many of us did. And this helped him for us to bring that back to class.

But that aside, I have seen some good Taekwondo schools that are Taekwondo only. I just hate to paint them all with the same brush. Yes, there are many focused only on sport and they do lack in self defense. But are schoold based on self defense and not sport. Sparring is a part of the curriculum which is required by the Kukki; however it has its day in a rotation and has no more emphasis than other skills taught/learned.
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