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#434458 - 01/10/12 06:02 AM Re: High Kicks - Have they always been there? [Re: gojuman59]
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In Mark Bishop's Okinawan Karate (2nd edition, 1999) there is a short anecdote about Bushi Takemura/Tachimura who worked as a tax collector but was once attacked by a crowd.

Quote from this anecdote (p.139): "...his right foot would be seen to sweep up and scuff the head of an attacker who would run clutching his head in an attempt to replace a flap of skin and hair that had been removed by Takemura's extraordinary 'scalping kick'..." (This is said to have taken place around 1897.)

Since Takemura was a close friend of Sokon Matsumura I believe this is pretty much an early stage of Okinawan Karate.

I also heard that Seiken Shukumine of Gensei Ryu and Taido demonstrated Hachidan-tobi-geri in 1950 at a karate exhibition for Nippon Television. (I would like to see this demonstration, but haven't found footage.)
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#434459 - 01/10/12 11:09 AM Re: High Kicks - Have they always been there? [Re: duanew]
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.......It would be interesting to know the history of the roundhouse kick. Did it start as a slapping kick (with the instep) then evolve into a toe or ball of the foot kick, was it the other way around or did it evolve differently depending on where it was "invented".


Duane


Would you say that the Round Kick was subject to when Karate found outside influences from Muay Thai and other Types of "Boxing" like Bokator or Lethwei etc?

I know Kyokushin adopted quite a lot of techniques in its arsenal which can be deemed as Direct input from its bouts/experience in Thailand with the Thai Fighters
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#434460 - 01/10/12 02:16 PM Re: High Kicks - Have they always been there? [Re: Dobbersky]
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I guess it might also come down to fighting distance. If you are at an striking and grappling range (as common in Goju Ryu and Uechi Ryu) you may be more prone to kick low.
From a further distance high kicks and jumping kicks could perhaps be better applied. Also kumite-formats may have had their influence.
Old school karate didn't promote competition matches that much, more so matches for the sake of learning.
Just thought though.
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#434464 - 01/11/12 01:24 PM Re: High Kicks - Have they always been there? [Re: Ives]
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Originally Posted By: Ives
I guess it might also come down to fighting distance. If you are at an striking and grappling range (as common in Goju Ryu and Uechi Ryu) you may be more prone to kick low.
From a further distance high kicks and jumping kicks could perhaps be better applied. Also kumite-formats may have had their influence.
Old school karate didn't promote competition matches that much, more so matches for the sake of learning.
Just thought though.

Well said Ives! It really does come down to what flavor one comes out of to the level of kicks. None are right or wrong, just what is the focus of your training.

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#434613 - 02/10/12 09:14 PM Re: High Kicks - Have they always been there? [Re: Dobbersky]
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Higher kicks to Jodan begins with the 3rd son of Gichin Funakoshi known as Yoshitaka/Gigo Funakoshi into the modern karate.

Gigo started to develope and change the classical Okinawa form to a new fighting method influenced by kendo, wereas his father was responsible for incorperate the philosophical part "Do".

At the time there was no other known styles that trained high kicks to the head. On Okinawa as we know there was the selfdefence aspect. So they kept the low kicks.

I also recall reading about a fight between Gigo and another instructor of a closefighting style (goju?) .It is said Gigo lost it!? but we can't be sure. To gain an advantage he started to develope new leg techniques. This resulted in that his karate form won some matches and slowly the other styles also started to incorperate kicking techniques.

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#434614 - 02/11/12 06:53 AM Re: High Kicks - Have they always been there? [Re: O-waza]
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Reading Ron Lindsey's new book- on the topic of kicks he was explaining that low "whipping" kicks were used originally because of the long robes that were worn at the time. After the change in fashion the knee was brought up higher and kicks rose.Prior to that the chance of catching your foot on your own clothing prevented this technique. He also commented on how other cultural fashions effected technique choice.
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#434632 - 02/16/12 02:14 PM Re: High Kicks - Have they always been there? [Re: duanew]
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I believe high kicks came in as crowd pleasers - tournament and TV stuff. They look flashy, but in a real fight? Please. High risk, low reward. Yeah, I throw them in sparring now and then, but that's mainly because kicking my uke in the leg is out.
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#434644 - 02/21/12 09:57 AM Re: High Kicks - Have they always been there? [Re: Ironfoot]
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I disagree! High kicks have their place in fighting just like low kicks do. They are effective as long as you know when and how to apply them.

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#434646 - 02/21/12 12:30 PM Re: High Kicks - Have they always been there? [Re: EFRAIN]
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Originally Posted By: EFRAIN
I disagree! High kicks have their place in fighting just like low kicks do. They are effective as long as you know when and how to apply them.


This then begs the question-How many "fights" have you been in? and How many head kicks have you thrown?
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#434647 - 02/21/12 01:00 PM Re: High Kicks - Have they always been there? [Re: duanew]
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lol That's the wrong question, it does not justify my comment. I've been in many fights specially where I grew up and they do work in the streets. You got to keep in mind that most people on the streets don't have a martial discipline to rely on except to brawling and ground & pound. I'ved used high kicks effectively numerous times of course that includes punching, clinching, controlling an opponent. I always punch to set up proper kicking whether it is for a low kick or high, doesn't matter. Like I said in the previous quote, high kicks are effective as long as a person knows when and how to apply it. Everything has it's place and time.

At the end this is my opinion and of course nothing of my experience has been documented lol...

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