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#434572 - 01/31/12 03:25 PM Re: The Guard [Re: Prizewriter]
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Originally Posted By: Prizewriter
That make senses, you can't stay in the guard forever!!

Seeing as you mentioned youtube Storm, is there anyone out there you enjoy watching in terms of their guard work? I mean are there any BJJ players or grapplers you think have a good guard and watch regularly?




Marcelo Garcia has an amazing guard, an amazing bottom game (well he's good everywhere but what he does on bottom and with his guard is mesmerizing) and I love his videos. Ben Askren is, I believe the Bellator WW champ and a few years ago was one of the best collegiate wrestlers in the country, and there's a video of Marcelo absolutely tooling Askren easily. Askren would constantly go for top position and could do virtually nothing inside of Marcelo's guard, same with Jake Shields vs. Marcelo. Braulio Estima has real good guard stuff. Big Nog has probably the best guard material in the world for mma (he has a book on it called "The Guard" that is top notch), and Werdum is nearly as good. Those are my favorites but there's a lot of other guys with great guard stuff.
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#434573 - 01/31/12 03:30 PM Re: The Guard [Re: Stormdragon]
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Just a side note, for takedowns/throws, leg locks and submission entries from standing you can't go wrong with Sambo (look up NYC combat Sambo on youtube with Sambo Steve and Reilly Bodycomb) as well as Erik Paulsons stuff (Paulson also has a multitude of great neck cranks and leg locks, many that I've used effectively rolling even with decent guys).
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#434575 - 01/31/12 04:18 PM Re: The Guard [Re: Stormdragon]
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Absolutely check Eric Paulson's stuff. Really great.
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#434579 - 02/01/12 05:48 AM Re: The Guard [Re: MattJ]
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Thanks for tips guys! Braulio Estima comes over to Ireland about 3 or 4 times a year for seminars. The venue he usually goes to is about a 20 minute drive from my house. Really should go to one of the seminars lol!
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#434584 - 02/01/12 09:54 PM Re: The Guard [Re: Prizewriter]
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Yeah you definitely should that would make for an amazing seminar, he's a beast!Him and Roger make a great team.
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#434592 - 02/02/12 04:56 PM Re: The Guard [Re: Stormdragon]
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I really should make more of an effort to get to these seminars. Last year Carlson Gracie Junior was doing a 4 hour seminar over here for the princely sum of 35 (which is about $55).

Problem is BJJ is getting more and more popular here so there are nearly too many seminars that are easily accessible! For example in the last 6 months alone, within a one hour drive from my house there have been seminars from Braulio (x2), Ryron Gracie, Royce Gracie, Julio Fernandez, Matt Thornton and Chris Brennan. Really should take more advantage of all this lol!
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#434626 - 02/14/12 09:58 PM Re: The Guard [Re: Stormdragon]
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Thought I would add my .02 since I'm rarely ever here anymore.

And I haven't read any of the posts here, so...sorry I'm late to the party and step on toes.

I love playing the guard but look at it as a position of last resort. I prefer to play all types of guard positions - BUT, I am always looking to rise out of the guard. I use this to set up everything else depending on what my opponent is doing. Sometimes the energy he uses in trying to keep me from rising out is the catalyst to launch an attack.

I particularly like the open guard and rarely ever move into a classical closed guard position. You have to open your guard to hit virtually all attacks anyway, so it makes sense just to train the open guard from the get-go. If you're training with anyone worth a [censored], they will show you the controls and other fundamentals right out of the gate (to avoid having your guard passed) instead of just teaching attacks.

The way I use the guard is based on the SBG "APE guard concept. This is a highly 'active' guard that rarely "settles down". You try and bring pressure to bear on your opponent. This is again initiated by attempting to always rise OUT of the guard. Secondary to this would be trying to disrupt balance (sweeps/reversals) and submission/striking attacks. Putting all this pressure on your opponent is very offensive minded, but it's defensive at the same time, because if you're not busy, it's going to be a short night (particularly no-gi).

Anyway...just a few thoughts. Sorry if this has been repeated elsewhere.


-John

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#434659 - 02/23/12 04:58 PM Re: The Guard [Re: JKogas]
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Originally Posted By: JKogas
Thought I would add my .02 since I'm rarely ever here anymore.

And I haven't read any of the posts here, so...sorry I'm late to the party and step on toes.

I love playing the guard but look at it as a position of last resort. I prefer to play all types of guard positions - BUT, I am always looking to rise out of the guard. I use this to set up everything else depending on what my opponent is doing. Sometimes the energy he uses in trying to keep me from rising out is the catalyst to launch an attack.

I particularly like the open guard and rarely ever move into a classical closed guard position. You have to open your guard to hit virtually all attacks anyway, so it makes sense just to train the open guard from the get-go. If you're training with anyone worth a [censored], they will show you the controls and other fundamentals right out of the gate (to avoid having your guard passed) instead of just teaching attacks.

The way I use the guard is based on the SBG "APE guard concept. This is a highly 'active' guard that rarely "settles down". You try and bring pressure to bear on your opponent. This is again initiated by attempting to always rise OUT of the guard. Secondary to this would be trying to disrupt balance (sweeps/reversals) and submission/striking attacks. Putting all this pressure on your opponent is very offensive minded, but it's defensive at the same time, because if you're not busy, it's going to be a short night (particularly no-gi).

Anyway...just a few thoughts. Sorry if this has been repeated elsewhere.


-John


I believe in training closed guard first, even with it's very limited range of attacks simply because it's a more survival oriented method which I think is priority for new people. It's a defensive position and gives people time to think and chill out while stifling their opponents offense. And it's simpler. That's just me though. Your guard approach seems a bit different than mine, but I imagine yours is better for mma. I do seek top position from the get go and if I get a good chance to sweep I will but I also will often just happily work from guard and stay there if I somehow get put there and attack. In BJJ rising out isn't necessarily always my priority. It depends on what my opponent gives me, I just go with the flow, whatever I feel like doing at the moment and whatever openings I happen to see I never really have a set goal of "ok I'm in open guard now I'll sweep, take mount, and submit." Almost all I do is no-gi and I'll actually sometimes just sit, chill out and only be busy enough to stifle their attacks and keep them shifting and bait them with something of my own. Of course with some guys though I'm fighting hard to escape. Or just wait till they attack and get out then. In training I pull guard all the time just to make sure I'm working on all eventualities. It's not always a very pretty or dominant style but meh, I get wins.


Edited by Stormdragon (02/23/12 05:03 PM)
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#434661 - 02/23/12 11:26 PM Re: The Guard [Re: Stormdragon]
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It also depends on who you're fighting with on the street. And what kind of competitions you are doing.
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#434774 - 03/09/12 08:14 PM Re: The Guard [Re: Stormdragon]
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Hey Prizewriter, do you know much about Marcelo Brigadeiro and how good he is?
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