Any trained person will have a advantage against a untrained

This is still a dumbfounded rhetorical and unstable discussion

Firstly..you are using 'dumbfounded' in a strange way.

Second, no, the type of training, the person, lots of complex factors determines whether what you are saying is true or not, plenty of trained people lose to untrained attackers, it most definitely happens. It even happens to people who are 'professionally' trained sometimes..i.e. security, LEO etc.

The only one who seems not to get the discussion is you, training against acts of violence, and training against your own martial art only are two different things, and it seems that is what is being asked about.

If you do not enjoy this discussion please spend your time in other threads.

Overconfidence is a grave weakness.

Thank everyone for their imput, since I posted this thread my school has shut down [6 months ago] and I am not looking at a wing chun school I just found out about. As long as I can aford it I think I will be able to find out the answers to some of my questions soon. Please keep coming with the positive feedback.

Shame about the school Closing Down, If you want an effective street style the look at Ashihara or Enshin Karate or even Krav Maga

Not necessarily... it depends at what stage of their training they are. A guy who wades in swinging punches and football kicks may not have MA training but may have the brutality, ferocity and natural reactions that someone who is (partly) trained may not have or be used to facing.

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Which is an entirely different story on its own - natural talent/ability.

Overall anyone who has trained to punch, kick, grapple, throw at full contact will very quickly be superior to people who haven't.

Having a great advantage over someone of course takes time and dedication just doing something for say 4-6 hours a week for 1 year won't mean you can't get beaten by a completely untrained attacker.. But you should be able to not eat haymakers from a drunk in a pub.

I wouldn't say it's an entirely different story, I'd say it rephrases the question, "What is 'trained'?"

I could train to kick and punch but never develop an animal kill instinct, which someone else might just from experience.