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#434133 - 11/05/11 06:52 PM Re: "Time-served" Requirements [Re: Christie]
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Christie said "Performance under the stress of taking an examination does not transfer to performance under stress in the real world. Lots of literature in psychology research confirms this if you do a quick search on Google scholar".

I'm not arguing that testing (in itself) makes you better at dealing with stress (or that time-served in MA testing should be inflexible, which is ridiculous), but that tests can show how well you have been training to handle stressors. They can be an indicator of the success of training, demonstrated for all to see and judged by several people who might not have the biases of a single instructor.

Test-taking is predictable, and as such can be prepared for. Much real-world stress is also predictable -- you can see it coming. Training contains nicely scheduled stressors -- you turn up on Tuesday evenings ready for stress. It has long been known that training helps buffer the effects of later acute stress (eg. Weiss, Glazer, Pohorecky, Brick and Miller 1975). Students required to solve math problems under stress show better performance in a test phase with a new stressor (Vossel and Laux 1978). What tests do is evaluate the skills people have internalized during training. Past a certain level, people's performance deteriorates under stress. The more "normalized" stress is, the less performance deteriorates. Training seems also to generalize to new stressors, so that they are experienced as less stressful (Franken, 1982).

So, you have trained. Your instructor thinks you have reached a certain level. If you have, you can demonstrate it to people who are not emotionally invested in your training -- in a test.

With regards to people training "just for the test", and therefore ending up as substandard martial artists, I have to agree with that to some extent. Perhaps it's up to instructors to discourage that kind of motivation, by their own observable attitude and behavior, by increasing the scope of testing (some styles even include essays on philosophical points (!) or by specifically discussing the attributes of "competent martial artists". Without tests which involve judgment of external observers, a club could get a bit ingrown, without any external point of reference or standard.

That said though, getting a belt in martial arts isn't like graduate school -- "getting in" doesn't suddenly provide you with all your future possibilities. Passing the GRE can give you the chance to use university facilities to grow, and clears the way to a qualification that can decide your future career. With martial arts, it's the training that's the whole point. Belts are nice, but they don't have any meaning in the world at large, whereas your skill level (irrespective of belt) does.


Edited by hope (11/05/11 07:23 PM)
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#434136 - 11/06/11 04:45 PM Re: "Time-served" Requirements [Re: hope]
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Originally Posted By: hope
With martial arts, it's the training that's the whole point. Belts are nice, but they don't have any meaning in the world at large, whereas your skill level (irrespective of belt) does.


Exactly.
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#434141 - 11/08/11 11:52 AM Re: "Time-served" Requirements [Re: choonbee]
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When I finally got the belt chasing out of my system I started enjoying my training much more.Being humble in my attitude toward rank was a big stumbling block for me when I was a younger man.Now it isn't even a concern. Training is much more fun.

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#434143 - 11/08/11 05:17 PM Re: "Time-served" Requirements [Re: gojuman59]
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I have to agree gojuman59. I chased it till I got to blue belt and then realized I was only as good as what I tested for. It wasn't until than that I became better at all the other stuff.

For me, testing is nothing more than "spot" checking; only looking it a portion of what is being taught. I didn't want to be just good at the tested material; that would never serve me in real life.
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#434154 - 11/11/11 09:44 AM Re: "Time-served" Requirements [Re: Dereck]
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I'm fortunate that train at a non-commercial dojo. Our testing is when my sensei thinks were ready.There isn't the rush to run through the belts and get dan ranked.Been there... done that..not doing that again.It's sad that the western way of belt advancement waters down the arts the way it does(in some cases.)

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#434163 - 11/14/11 04:42 PM Re: "Time-served" Requirements [Re: gojuman59]
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I found out an interesting fact at Toronto Open this weekend I thought you might like Dereck. The tae kwon do club at RMC only does belt testing for black belts, all colour belts are handed out in class when the coach believes the student is ready for it - no tests, no testing fees. Their club is set up very interestingly. One of the requirements for students at RMC is that they must either be on a varsity or intramural sports team, or belong to an on campus sports club. To join the tae kwon do club they have to try out for it and whether they make it or not is based on their potential to succeed at tae kwon do. That must be an interesting try out when one is trying out people who have never done the sport before. There are of course cons to this kind of system, but it's an interesting set up none the less.

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#434168 - 11/15/11 09:14 AM Re: "Time-served" Requirements [Re: Christie]
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Different for sure.
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#434172 - 11/15/11 06:22 PM Re: "Time-served" Requirements [Re: Christie]
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Originally Posted By: Christie
I found out an interesting fact at Toronto Open this weekend I thought you might like Dereck. The tae kwon do club at RMC only does belt testing for black belts, all colour belts are handed out in class when the coach believes the student is ready for it - no tests, no testing fees. Their club is set up very interestingly. One of the requirements for students at RMC is that they must either be on a varsity or intramural sports team, or belong to an on campus sports club. To join the tae kwon do club they have to try out for it and whether they make it or not is based on their potential to succeed at tae kwon do. That must be an interesting try out when one is trying out people who have never done the sport before. There are of course cons to this kind of system, but it's an interesting set up none the less.


They are treating it like a competitive sport. I guess there isn't any room for the person who just wants to learn TKD,but not for competition. I'm sure that the "coach" wouldn't have time for just ordinary people who wanted to learn an art.


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#434173 - 11/15/11 11:17 PM Re: "Time-served" Requirements [Re: gojuman59]
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Essentially, yes. They treat it as a varsity sport, and that is in fact exactly what they are trying to make it. They created OUTCL, the Ontario University Taekwondo Championship League, for the sole purpose of getting the OUA, Ontario University Association, to recognize it as a varsity sport. I competed at OUTCL at the end of October and there is certainly a long way to go before it is up to the par of the organizational standards for varsity athletics.

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#434174 - 11/16/11 06:17 AM Re: "Time-served" Requirements [Re: Christie]
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That certainly is a interesting concept. I guess I'm kind of a old dog here but I just think that what once was a martial art shouldn't become a competition league.

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