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#433522 - 08/04/11 01:01 AM This is TKD???
TaekwonDoFan Offline
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This video about the Korean Tiger TKD demonstration team show great acrobatics ... but is this a fighting art??? Looks more like dancing than fighting.

Alex Gillis was right.

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#433523 - 08/04/11 02:00 AM Re: This is TKD??? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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#433531 - 08/04/11 10:47 PM Re: This is TKD??? [Re: Shusha]
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Better than the first one, but still overly formalized. I think TKD has degenerated into garbage.

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#433534 - 08/05/11 10:41 AM Re: This is TKD??? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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Originally Posted By: TaekwonDoFan
Better than the first one, but still overly formalized. I think TKD has degenerated into garbage.


I love these quotes. You have to put what you are looking at into prospective. First, these are demo teams whose sole purpose is to entertain and you see it in EVERY ART! You see it in the chinese arts when they're dancing around the floor swinging those big weapons around. Is that reality or practical? You should not be judging the art on this basis.Its like sparring, is that reality, sure it has benefits (endurance,strategy, seeing if you can take a hit), but its NOT self defense! The art is as good as the person training in it and HOW they train in it. If your training to be on the demo team and need to have gymnastic abilities, thats how you train. If you compete, your training for sparring in the rule set of the format you are looking to compete in (just look at the UFC "TUF" program).If you are looking to train in self defense, then you need to disect the art and look at how it can be applied. Most arts are not that different when you start to look at fundamentals. Thats what you should be judging.

VDJ

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#433535 - 08/05/11 03:12 PM Re: This is TKD??? [Re: VDJ]
Shusha Offline
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The intent of the demonstrations is not the same as the intent of the art in general, so it is unrealistic to judge the entire art by the demonstrations alone. Also, as far as I'm concerned, TKD and many arts are much more than just self-defense. (Hence the "art").

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#433538 - 08/06/11 03:42 AM Re: This is TKD??? [Re: Shusha]
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Sorry but that's just [censored]

If some arts demonstration is all acrobatics and showmanship do you really think they train for the opposite? That's just a ridiculous notion that only someone feeling offended would say.

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#433542 - 08/06/11 10:58 AM Re: This is TKD??? [Re: Matakiant]
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Some do train for the opposite. Not many but some do. It's not right to generalize and throw all of them under the bus.
This was a demo for entertainment purposes.While I don't like the shallowness the art,there are some real good fighters out there.The problem is that most of the techniques they know are of the sport variety.I've moved on to Goju and never have regretted this decision.


Mark


Edited by gojuman59 (08/06/11 11:00 AM)

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#433543 - 08/06/11 02:16 PM Re: This is TKD??? [Re: gojuman59]
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The problem is that it's very hard to differentiate the dance/sport variety from the fighting variety. Oh, yes, you can tell after a few visits to the individual school, but, when a school calls itself a TKD school and wants to train for real self-defence, it may be seen as part of the larger dance variety.

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#433557 - 08/08/11 09:40 AM Re: This is TKD??? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
VDJ Offline
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Originally Posted By: TaekwonDoFan
The problem is that it's very hard to differentiate the dance/sport variety from the fighting variety. Oh, yes, you can tell after a few visits to the individual school, but, when a school calls itself a TKD school and wants to train for real self-defence, it may be seen as part of the larger dance variety.


Not if you treat searching for a reputable school as has been soooooooo many times on this board, interview the head instuctor/owner of the school! Ask the pertinent questions, what are your qualifications? What is your focus (competition/SD)? Watch mutiple classes for a couple of weeks so you REALLY see what is being taught. Talk to existing students! If there's a very high children student body, chances are they are geared toward a softer training regimen. Use common sense thats all!

VDJ

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#433559 - 08/08/11 11:51 AM Re: This is TKD??? [Re: VDJ]
gojuman59 Offline
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I agree VDJ.Classes with mostly children is a sure sign that the meat of the training is probably fairly soft.
I remember back when I trained in TKD we only sparred hard in the late adult class. The early class was more of a glorified baby setting session.There was a definite difference in the approach of our instructer between the two classes.Even as it was the adult class didn't work on the self-defense aspects of the art very often.While our focus wasn't olympic TKD(don't get me started) the fighting we did was of the sparring variety only.Self-defense was basically not a high priority.


Mark

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