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#432869 - 06/18/11 08:44 AM David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko
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Easily the biggeest heavyweight boxing match in a decade, David Haye vs Wlad Klitschko is only 2 weeks away. There does seem to be a little needle between them. They are both tremendous athletes, which is rare for a heavyweight fight in this day in age.

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Any thoughts on this fight?
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#432887 - 06/20/11 05:47 AM Re: David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko [Re: Prizewriter]
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By staying in Germany, and fighting carefully chosen past their prime, or journeyman oponents, the Klitchko's have killed heavyweight boxing as a spectacle for the span of the current millenium. They are paper champions.

That is not to say they are without skill, but they have strolled unchallenged for so long that they are effectively 'ring rusty', and in no way prepared, nor equipped, to deal with the mobility, speed, and power of Haye.

As with any contest, there are no certainties, but I have a no doubt that Haye will finish Wlad in under 5 rounds, providing he doesnt make sloppy mistakes. If he fights like he did against Valuev, then Klitchko will have absolutely no asnwer to him.
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#432888 - 06/20/11 07:27 AM Re: David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko [Re: Cord]
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I agree with that assessment. Despite his poor opponents, Wlad is probably the hardest puncher David has faced. That said, I think David is too fast to get caught with much.

At the same time, David is possibly the hardest hitting opponent Wlad has ever had to face. Wlad's punch resistance isn't great, he's been knocked down something like 9 times in his pro career. In his defense though, he has shown heart and stamina to get back up on many occasions. Against Samuel Peter he was down 3 times but got back up each time and eventually won the bout(see above clip).

David has also shown he can travel well. He beat Mormeck in France and Valuev in Germany, so going to Germany again won't phase him.

Thing is though this may be Haye's last fight. He plans to retire by his 31st birthday in October. With Vitali Klitschko scheduled to fight in September, this might be Haye's last fight.
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#432889 - 06/20/11 08:27 AM Re: David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko [Re: Prizewriter]
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I really dont think it will be his last fight. His post-retirement plans are centred around a hollywood career, and to do that, he will need to bring Heavyweight Boxing back to the USA, and win a few exciting big fights there, or there will be no draw or incentive for Hollywood to give him film roles.

I also remember him saying a few years ago, that he trained BJJ for flexibility along side his boxing, and would love to become the first heavyweight champion in boxing and MMA.

He has to beat Wlad first for any of his futures to happen though.
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#433040 - 07/02/11 10:26 AM Re: David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko [Re: Cord]
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Putting my head on the chopping block here but Haye to win by KO. Going round to a mates house to watch it, should be awesome!
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#433042 - 07/02/11 06:16 PM Re: David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko [Re: Prizewriter]
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SPOILER AHEAD!!!!!








So much for Klichko being a paper champion.
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#433043 - 07/02/11 07:12 PM Re: David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko [Re: Stormdragon]
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Just back from watching it. So much for my prediction! Klitschko was a class above. He made Haye look ordinary. No doubt he is a legit heavyweight. Many people have said Wlad wouldn't make it in any other heavyweight era. I don't think that's true especially after this performance. He showed excellent technique, poise, chin, heart and he completely nullified a top quality opponent. The only criticism I would have is that I think if he wanted to he could've KO'd Haye.

As for David he didn't look himself, but then Wlad's tactics may have played a large part in that. Not exactly a great fight but as Stormdragon said it's hard to question Wlad anymore.


Edited by Prizewriter (07/02/11 07:17 PM)
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#433045 - 07/02/11 09:44 PM Re: David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko [Re: Prizewriter]
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I still don't think Klitch would be a top heavy in any other heavyweight era. Tyson had way better head movement and power then Haye, Foreman hit much harder and was much bigger (while Klitch doesn't have the skills Ali had), Ali played Klitch's game better then Klitch, Frazier probably could have handled him as he also had better head movement then Haye and hit much harder, I think even Marciano or possibly Dempsey could have taken Klitch. I'm not sure about Holyfield but maybe. Haye is great for this era but a lot of past heavies used his or similar styles and did it better and Klitch couldn't finish him (precisely because Haye has unusually good head movement for today's heavies).


Edited by Stormdragon (07/02/11 09:46 PM)
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#433047 - 07/03/11 05:28 AM Re: David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko [Re: Stormdragon]
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I think he would've given anyone a run for their money:

Tyson - Ok, I think a prime Tyson would beat Klitch, but then again IMO I don't know if ANYONE would've coped with Tyson in his prime (including Ali).

Frazier/Marciano - Too small. If a 6'3" 210lb David Haye was too small, a 6' 205lb Frazier would struggle, and a 5'11 187lb Marciano would've been destroyed.

Foreman - Possibly yes. I think Klitch is a better athelete though and has overall better stamina but Big George was terrifying in his prime.

Dempsey - No chance. Dempsey was a brawler. He had no finesse at all. For all Tyson's ferocity, it was based in a rock solid foundation in boxing principles. Gene Tunney, a 6' 190lb ex-marine (and one of the forefathers of modern boxing) was able to totally out-think and outbox Dempsey. A 6'5" 240lb master tactician like Wlad would've destroyed Dempsey. Dempsey thrived in an era of brawlers and tough guys. Once Tunney and others like him started introducing an art and science to boxing, it hearlded the end for guys like Dempsey.

Back to 2011, it looks like it could be the last fight for Haye. There doesn't seem to be anyone left for the Klitschko brothers to fight at the moment.
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#433048 - 07/03/11 11:02 AM Re: David Haye vs Wladimir Klitschko [Re: Prizewriter]
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Wlad just neutralised haye. The guy couldn't do anything. The tactics he used against valuev were fine for a limited boxer, but Wlad has a bit more to him.

Two questions though, 1) How come Haye kept falling down... was he praying for a miracle?

2) At times it looked like both boxers were fighting one handed. On at least on occasion Haye was wide open for a good left and it looked like Wlad could have given it no danger... but didn't. have i just been watching Rocky too much or is this a tactical lack on W's part?
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