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#432912 - 06/22/11 10:03 AM Tangsoodo What do you focus on
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I was just wondering how many of you out there actively take tang soo do from who and wear. Also do you guys focus more on sport or self defince. Light or hard contact sparring or a mix of bouth





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#432970 - 06/27/11 08:56 AM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: kick2011]
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I use a few Hyungs from Tang Soo Do from my 4 years of training, My Instructor is now my student.

We use Chil Sung Ee Ro Hyung and Bassai, although Naihanchi is practice Wado Ryu way.

We both use the reverse Round house too in our sparring although we've not taught our students this in the syllabus.

As I am no Ashihara by defination the level of contact is Full (with Common Sense)
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#432975 - 06/27/11 06:07 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: kick2011]
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I take tang-soo-do in central New Jersey.
We focus on self-defense, drills and forms, and our sparring is light. Hard hitting and kicking techniques are done with kick-bags and focus mitts.
Our school also has the karate students learn some groundworking techniques and holds.
Their reasoning is that many fights end up going to the ground, and they feel that we should be well-rounded. We have seperate jui-jitsu classes as well.
Our tests for promotion consists of drills, forms, self-defense techniques and groundwork.


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#432976 - 06/28/11 09:13 AM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: choonbee]
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Choonbee

Only 40% of fights go to the ground so its not even 1/2 of them.

The best work that should be done is takedown prevention and how to get back up if you slip.

Not too sure about what its like where your from but in my town you usually get attacked by groups and once your down they all start kicking at your head etc

Just my take on it, I don't think Hapkido which is the Korean form of Aikido does much ground work and is concidered by most, including Bruice Lee, as a complete style
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#432978 - 06/28/11 11:15 AM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: choonbee]
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I find that the ground fighting portion of our class is the most difficult for me. Nothing makes me feel out of my element more than rolling around on the floor. It's for this reason that we do it.
I would agree with Dobbersky-San on this one point. Take-down prevention is extremly important. At 51 I would rather get my beat down over with standing up!! It's for this reason that I have been working on my Tai-sabaki real hard. I figure I need to shift out of the way and blast em' hard and fast.My point being that I probably can't win a sustained dust up. I need to make my techniques count.

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#432991 - 06/28/11 09:44 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: gojuman59]
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40% is enough for me to justify learning some groundwork.
I agree with you on takedown prevention being most important, and we work on that quite a bit as well, but sometimes things don't turn out the way we hope they will. You could get blindsided, tackled from behind, or suprised in some other unexpected way, and I think it's a good idea to know what to do if someone does take you down, especially since the person who is taking you down is most likely bigger than you are and wants to use their size as an advantage.
As far as group attacks go, I would try to get in some shots to vitals, then get the hell out of there. It's a bad situation that, fortunately, I haven't had to deal with thus far.
My biggest hurdle with groundwork is tensing up and not breathing properly when I'm trying to work techniques, so coming to terms with that should be helpful in a lot of ways.
Sorry for going off topic.


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#433125 - 07/06/11 10:41 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: choonbee]
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I agree, form my past expereinces and observations, the majoprity of fights DO NOT go to the ground.

Mainly because actual fights start and end so quickly


However, I think it is in the best interest to study many other tactics of different arts to become a better-versitile martial artist

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#433647 - 08/17/11 09:11 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: 47MartialMan]
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I took Tang Soo Do Years ago. we did self- defense forms and sparring. I like the reverse round house after throwing a round house while sparing.
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#433648 - 08/17/11 09:30 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: DSMartialArts]
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"Reverse Roundhouse"?

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#433650 - 08/18/11 10:21 AM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: 47MartialMan]
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Originally Posted By: 47MartialMan
"Reverse Roundhouse"?




I think he means like a spinning heel kick...Great for sparring, but risky for street self-defense.

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#433666 - 08/19/11 09:27 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: gojuman59]
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Originally Posted By: gojuman59
Great for sparring, but risky for street self-defense.


We were practicing that kick last night, and our instructor told us exactly that.
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#433677 - 08/21/11 10:05 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: gojuman59]
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Originally Posted By: gojuman59
Originally Posted By: 47MartialMan
"Reverse Roundhouse"?




I think he means like a spinning heel kick...Great for sparring, but risky for street self-defense.


I always get amused how people mix up terminology w tactic

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#433686 - 08/23/11 04:04 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: 47MartialMan]
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Originally Posted By: 47MartialMan
Originally Posted By: gojuman59
Originally Posted By: 47MartialMan
"Reverse Roundhouse"?




I think he means like a spinning heel kick...Great for sparring, but risky for street self-defense.


I always get amused how people mix up terminology w tactic



No mixup. Just an observation.

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#433722 - 08/26/11 01:20 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: gojuman59]
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Originally Posted By: gojuman59
Originally Posted By: 47MartialMan
"Reverse Roundhouse"?




I think he means like a spinning heel kick...Great for sparring, but risky for street self-defense.


No spinning, you throw a round house kick and then pull back the kick in the reverse direction. So I round house kick past you the pull back from knee to hit with bottom of my foot. So what would you call it? smile shocked
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#433724 - 08/26/11 08:28 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: DSMartialArts]
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I've always heard that called a hook kick.

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#433725 - 08/26/11 08:47 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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Originally Posted By: Zach_Zinn
I've always heard that called a hook kick.


That's what our instructors call it.
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#433730 - 08/27/11 09:12 AM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: choonbee]
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My mistake. I thought the kick was performed in a spinning manner. We used to do hook kicks in my TKD school. I would do a lead leg roundhouse and the without setting the kick down bring it back up and past his head hooking then let loose the roundhouse again. In this sequence the hook kick is really only a diversion kick between roundhouse kicks. Once again a great kick for sparring but not very good on the street.
It's been so long since I practiced the hook kick that I would probably pull a hamstring. HA!Ha!
It's interesting how many names there are for kicks depending on who's talking about it. Example:spinning heel kick to one organization is a reverse turning kick to another. The list goes on and on.

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#433732 - 08/27/11 04:17 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: gojuman59]
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I suppose you can start with a roundhouse, then bring it back for a hook. Seems like a natural thing to do.
We usually just bring the leg out and hook back into the target.
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#433742 - 08/30/11 01:31 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: choonbee]
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Originally Posted By: choonbee
I suppose you can start with a roundhouse, then bring it back for a hook. Seems like a natural thing to do.
We usually just bring the leg out and hook back into the target.


I wish that I was fast enough with my hook kick to use it by it self. I was only able to use it sandwiched between roundhouse kicks.
I was able to use the hook kick in a spinning manner with some success. It was a powerful technique that I had a little trouble controlling.
Ah!!Yesteryear.All this talk about hook kicks and spinning kicks makes me look back at the old days when I was banging it out in the tournaments. Oh well, we live in the present.I enjoy the arts more now than I did when I was chasing trophies.

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#433749 - 09/02/11 01:22 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: gojuman59]
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I'll bet you were really something back in those days.
It's good that you're back at it and learning a different style.
Our Tang-soo-do instructors speak very highly of Goju when we happen to be discussing different styles, and I certainly respect you for getting back into the arts. Most people in your situation do little more than talk about getting going again, and it's rare to hear of someone who's actually doing it.
Hats off to you, Mark.
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#433750 - 09/03/11 08:07 AM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: gojuman59]
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Originally Posted By: gojuman59

I was able to use the hook kick in a spinning manner with some success. It was a powerful technique that I had a little trouble controlling.
Mark


That sounds pretty good to me.
I haven't practiced that yet. In fact, I haven't seen that style of hook kick practiced at all in the classes that I've attended.
If I pass my green belt test (whenever they decide on a test date) they'll get me started practicing spinning crescent kicks. When the time comes where I feel comfortable with it, I'll ask my instructor about his thoughts on a spinning hook kick. Since his attitude seems to be pretty liberal with trying different things, I wouldn't be surprised to see him incorporate it into our training to some degree.
Our training seems to vary to some degree. When I started, we did a good deal of groundwork, then we hit bags more, then we went back to traditional drilling more. Now we're getting back into more groundwork.
I don't know if that's a planned sequence, or if he's trying to see which style of training certain students respond to.....
It doesn't make a difference to me because it's all good training, but it's a pattern that I've noticed in our school.
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#433751 - 09/03/11 08:57 AM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: choonbee]
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Spinning crescent were a technique that we didn't do ,but sound pretty cool.Sounds like one of those techniques that is best used in a sequence of other kicks.Kind of like the hook kick was for me.By itself I wasn't able to lead off with it without telagraphing my intent.Being tall gives good reach, but also makes it hard to suprise your opponent. I found that my first technique (other than a side kick) usually wouldn't score.Just too slow getting started.I had to be sneaky.
The spinning hook kick was hard for me to use and not hit too hard.I never was able to use it much in class, but did use it some in tournements. Definitely a bell ringer.Yet another technique that I wish I had perfected a little more. In a sparring situation it's a reaction kick.Timing your opponents roundhouse and spinning off that givies great openings for the spinning hook kick.
Spinning hook kick is another kick that I would probably pull something if I attemted it now. LOL.

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#433752 - 09/03/11 11:53 AM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: gojuman59]
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Originally Posted By: gojuman59
Spinning crescent were a technique that we didn't do ,but sound pretty cool.Sounds like one of those techniques that is best used in a sequence of other kicks.

Keep training, mark


I agree.
I've been working on the spinning back kick as part of my blue belt techniques, and I find that it's much more effective and easier for me to do when it follows another kick, like a sidekick or crescent.
I practice it on it's own, but when I spar I always use it as a follow-up behind another kick. Seems to flow better that way.
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#433753 - 09/03/11 03:03 PM Re: Tangsoodo What do you focus on [Re: choonbee]
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Originally Posted By: choonbee
I'll bet you were really something back in those days.
It's good that you're back at it and learning a different style.
Our Tang-soo-do instructors speak very highly of Goju when we happen to be discussing different styles, and I certainly respect you for getting back into the arts. Most people in your situation do little more than talk about getting going again, and it's rare to hear of someone who's actually doing it.
Hats off to you, Mark.

Believe me, I wasn't half as good as I thought I was. Traditional Karate is much more enjoyable at this time in my life. I was pretty arrogant in those days.

Mark

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