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#432671 - 06/06/11 03:51 AM The Real Mas Oyama
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Came across a very interesting piece online about Mas Oyama, the founder of Kyokushin Karate. The article is by one of his students, Jon Bluming:

MAS OYAMA STORIES

By JON BLUMING In the past, I've avoided discussing the "famous" Kyokushin Kaikan
karate business. I needed some time to think about saying anything now,
too, as I wanted to be strictly honest toward the memory of my
old "friend and teacher, Mas Oyama. He did a lot for me, introducing
me to the karate world and giving me a new purpose in life. This
changed my life completely for the best. For me, Oyama was like a
father I never had. In the old days, he showed me all the things you
need to be a teacher and helped me through some rough times. On the
other hand, I am tired of all the phonies who did not go the straight
way.

So, let me tell it like it was.
Published accounts describing Oyama preparing for the big karate
championships in 1947 are very funny. Especially the Americans, who
fought the Japanese in World War 11, should know that. MacArthur was
the big honcho in Japan from August 1945, until the Korean War, and he
declared right away that there was to be no more budo in Japan until he
declared otherwise. He even rounded up all the samurai swords he could
lay his hands on and had them dropped in Tokyo Bay. They would be worth
hundreds of millions of dollars today. He was not messing around and
nobody dared disobey his rules.

Around 1948, judo started again at the old Kodokan on Suidobashi.
Karate was done mainly by the Shotokan, where sparring matches were not
allowed until the late 1950s, and by the Goju Kai and Wado@ryu, where
the sparring was so soft that a split lip or a nose bleed would throw
the officials into a state of shock. So while there might have been
some professional boxing clubs where fighting was done on a knockout
basis, a karate championship in Kyoto done on such a basis was
absolutely out of the question.
When hearing stories about the old days, remember that the Japanese are
great storytellers. If the story is good, they don't check to see if it
is true. Even today, I meet people who heard from their fathers or
grandfathers about the roughhousing I supposedly did in my younger
days. It doesn't amaze me anymore and I am tired of telling people that
the stories are impossible because if you hit somebody, you were hauled
into a police station, charged, and sent to jail or kicked out of the
country. I admit I had a few fights, but always with witnesses saying
that I did not start it.

As for Oyama's alleged 270 American bouts, remember that he was in the
States as a professional wrestler. Since when are professional
wrestling matches on the level? All Oyama ever told me about those days
was that Americans were crazy, that their wrestling was phony and
prearranged, and that as fighters, they were weak. My guess is that
most of what he did was just break bricks and things between matches.
If he had ever fought any of the American professional wrestlers,
really fought them, I think he would have beaten most of them easily.

The story about Oyama fighting bulls is not true. He never met a real
bull, for he never visited Spain. I also doubt that he was gored, for
he never told me about it and he used to tell me everything. Kurosaki
Kenji was there and he told me what happened. They went early in the
morning to a stock- yard in Tateyama Prefecture. Workmen prepared a fat
old ox for Oyama by hitting one of its horns with a hammer so that it
was quite loose. Oyama did not kill the ox he only knocked off the
loose horn.

Oyama showed Bill Backhus and I the 16mm "bull fighting" movie in 1959.
1 told Oyama never to show this film in Europe because it looked too
phony and everyone would laugh at him. As far as I know, nobody saw
that movie again.

Even Oyama's famous world championships of the 1970s were a joke. By
then, foreigners were not allowed to win. To prevent it, Oyama had all
the gaijin fight each other first, and of course pitted the best
against each other. Because everyone wanted to win, the injuries were
terrible. Meanwhile, he put the leading Japanese against low quality
Japanese from his own school, who knew their place and of course didn't
try too hard. So they had it easy.

Occasionally, in the finals, the referee would give a good foreign
fighter a decision over a Japanese fighter. Oyama would stand up all
red in the face. Then he'd call the referee over to his table and chew
him out and reverse his decision. This was against all the rules of
sportsmanship. Read Nakamura Tadashi's book or go talk to him in New
York. It is very emotional and very sad.

Oyama was a strong man in his young days, but I never saw him fight
anybody, not even in his own dojo. So his "countless encounters"
and "challenges" were all before my time. Kurosaki Kenji tells me that
they were all before his time, too, and that goes back to 1952, when
they both trained at Yamaguchi Gogen's dojo in Tokyo. So I think maybe
he never fought in his life.

But he was a great teacher who trained many good fighters and his books
were very popular. When I read his first book, What Is Karate? (1957),
1 was really impressed. I was in his second book (This Is Karate, 1965)
and had the opportunity to look into the way he did things.


The full article can be read here:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:--Bo4_AqaQMJ:www.kyokushinkai.com.br/kyokushin-downloads/mas-oyama-was-a-fraud.pdf+mas+oyama+lies+bluming&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiLScV6mFwXiGU9kkJBAxYKtUF0aKfMp8r2iTwxZJcvep8nfqw1DZnDPfn85DP3oOv_W4VgVkNeJbE1z6B4UOK6m_FQwjiEJBMwegkLOUhSv_S9Sw8qd7A_cPqpbw6k_w-yJV4x&sig=AHIEtbQzkpONKOjHlGfd1A8jh8P-Iro4cQ&pli=1

It is an interesting read, and certainly seems to de-bunk a lot of the tall tales about Oyama and paints a different picture of him.
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#432676 - 06/06/11 10:39 AM Re: The Real Mas Oyama [Re: Prizewriter]
cxt Offline
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Loc: USA
Good read...thanks for the tip!
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#432677 - 06/06/11 11:09 AM Re: The Real Mas Oyama [Re: cxt]
gojuman59 Offline
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Registered: 04/08/11
Posts: 224
Loc: Missouri
That was very interesting Prizewriter. I always was kind of sceptical about some of the exploits of Mas Oyama. I always thought the bull fight story was kind of fishy.
This isn't to say that the legacy of Mas Oyama is tainted, but like many other titans of the martial arts they were men and women just like everybody else. His legacy of founding Kyokushin style karate assures his place as a pioneer and legend.

Mark

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#432681 - 06/06/11 03:24 PM Re: The Real Mas Oyama [Re: gojuman59]
Razma Offline
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Registered: 05/19/11
Posts: 36
Well, this is very interesting. And very different from everything else I'd learned about him. I always thought his stories were inhuman anyway. I wonder if him breaking ribs with a single punch is also false.

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#432682 - 06/06/11 03:34 PM Re: The Real Mas Oyama [Re: Razma]
trevek Offline
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Registered: 05/15/05
Posts: 3337
Loc: Poland
That movie of him hitting the ox is on Youtube. I read another account by John Bluming telling Oyama not to show it because it would offend Europeans, to which the reply was that Oyamawasn't stupid.

The animal was apparently a village pet and would not have been used to being beaten.

Interview is here: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=57771&page=1


Edited by trevek (06/06/11 03:46 PM)
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#432704 - 06/10/11 12:29 PM Re: The Real Mas Oyama [Re: trevek]
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Registered: 03/13/06
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OSU!!!

As a Ashihara Karateka, I still have a felling of brotherhood with Kyokushin and Sosai Oyama. I find the article rather refreshing and wonder if the orignal Poster wouldn't mind posting it on Kyokushin 4 Life Forum or allowing me to add it

OSU!!!
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#432710 - 06/10/11 06:40 PM Re: The Real Mas Oyama [Re: Dobbersky]
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Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 3260
Loc: Midwest City, Ok, USA
Mas Oyama is a legend and there will be nay sayers and fan clubs about what he realy was or was not. i was not a personal student or friend, but I was around duing his time. His matches with diferent fighters of diferent systems where never disputed his training though different then most has stod the test of time.

I find it hard to understand how a man that taught such a vicious method of training, never had a fight. One thing I do remember is no one ever challenge him or courted the idea of fighting him. He took other Black belt levels, and coverted them to his system usualy you ahve show them a beter way then just tell them.

I find it strange that many years after his death his friends want to tranish his legend. Most fakes are exposed while they are a live. My 2 cent.


Edited by Neko456 (06/10/11 06:42 PM)
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