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#432095 - 04/15/11 10:32 PM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: Stormdragon]
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Okay
So the US has, and has had, legal firearms for generations. Nowadays it is like a fictitious mind-set:

"Dear would-be robber,
On this street of sixty homes are 28 families with firearms.
Are you feeling lucky?"


Edited by iaibear (04/15/11 10:34 PM)

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#432096 - 04/15/11 11:09 PM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: iaibear]
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What exactly are you getting at?
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#432097 - 04/16/11 05:39 AM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: Stormdragon]
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Originally Posted By: Stormdragon
Hey Cord is football hooliganism really like that movie Green Street Hooligans.


Football Hooligans in Europe can be disturbingly well organized. Although not totally gone, authorities in England seem to have taken a much tougher stance against hooligans than in some other European countries.

I don't want to de-rail the thread too much, but there are a lot of football hooligan documentaries on youtube and google videos. The last one I saw was about hooliganism at the 2006 World Cup. One of the more disturbing scenes showed amateur footage of huge gangs of German and Polish hooligans agreeing to meet-up to have a large scale brawl.


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#432098 - 04/16/11 09:13 AM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: Stormdragon]
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With a good chance of failure and/or personal danger to themselves, would-be robbers would not consider it worth the risk.

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#432100 - 04/16/11 01:12 PM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: iaibear]
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Originally Posted By: iaibear
With a good chance of failure and/or personal danger to themselves, would-be robbers would not consider it worth the risk.


Not a fictitious idea.
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#432102 - 04/16/11 04:27 PM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: Stormdragon]
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Originally Posted By: Stormdragon
Hey Cord is football hooliganism really like that movie Green Street Hooligans.


heh, not these days. The golden age of hooliganism was the late 70's to late 80's in the UK, but a few pivotal events changed the scene forever.

1.The Heysel Stadium fatalities of 1985 led to a concerted international coordination of police to track and control the travel of known hooligans.

2. The Hilsborough stadium fire of 1989 led to terraces being outlawed and replaced with all seated football grounds (terraces were standing areas where violence was focussed)

3. The proliferation of CCTV at football grounds, and in public streets of the UK meant that coordinated group violence/activity could be easily identified and dealt with quickly.

Outside of that, Green Street never got it right. No way a septic would get an in with a crew like that after a couple of right hooks.

If you want to see a film that captures the spirit and culture behind the scene, check out 'The Football Factory' - got it about right.

Nowadays, while some firms are still active (Cardiff, Milwall and others), the real football hooliganism in europe happens in the former soviet states, where police control is not as organised, and the gangs idolise British hooligans of old, and model themselves on them. They also have a great deal of support/interaction with the neo-nazi/nationalists of their respective countries.

Holland still likes a tear up as well, but they too have faced similar sanction to the UK.
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#432103 - 04/16/11 04:38 PM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: Cord]
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Interesting. But what do you mean a septic?
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#432108 - 04/17/11 04:59 AM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: Stormdragon]
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septic tank = yank, ie. a citizen of the united states smile
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#432109 - 04/17/11 10:23 AM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: Cord]
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Originally Posted By: Cord
septic tank = yank, ie. a citizen of the united states smile

Much grass

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#432110 - 04/17/11 04:30 PM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: iaibear]
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Ouch how did we get a nickname like that? I must say I was also pretty skeptial that old Frodo was taken in as a close friend so easily, in my experience it doesn't work like that. God hwy did they have to pick that weenie to be the American? Worst choice possible, I sat there wanting to knee him in the face repeatedly from a tie clinch as I watched the movie. I watched Football Fatory, it was much better.
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