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#432146 - 04/20/11 02:56 PM Re: Control [Re: Mark Jordan]
hedkikr Offline
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Registered: 02/28/05
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Loc: Southern California, USA
Good answer, Mark. I'd like to add another POV.

Sometimes, newer students are trying to impress each other & their seniors. So rather than displaying more sophisticated combinations & better footwork or timing (which they are incapable of performing), they resort to more force which equals less control.

In situations where a nooby seeks to build his reputation on your body & and hasn't gotten the message to "dial it down", my solution is to use your skills to deliver substantial (but not carelessly strong) well-timed counters to to areas that will not inflict injury. Upper chest, Upper Back & Thigh (if your style allows) are good targets.

Remember, noobs see an opponent as 1 big target, but the experienced MA-ist sees the same opponent as a collection of several potential targets.
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#432153 - 04/20/11 11:32 PM Re: Control [Re: Brusashi]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
Posts: 3116
Loc: East Coast, United States
Use SMALLER words...

S-T-O-P
That HURTS
Too hard
Not the drill we are doing
Not the purpose


You need MORE effective/direct words. The purpose of training is not to hurt YOU, or HIM, or THEM. It can happen but should not be meaningful/genuine

You CAN decline to work with them, politely bow and say Im sorry I am afraid I/you/we will get hurt if we work together tonight.

Would it be ok, if we talked about this some more <wg>??? You have some time after class? Can we connect for lunch someplace perhaps?

Radical approach for some, but we have lips, they should be used if helpful.
Jeff

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#432181 - 04/25/11 10:26 AM Re: Control [Re: Brusashi]
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Registered: 04/08/11
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Loc: Missouri
In our class the higher rank does push ups if his or her control is lacking. If the lower rank starts "taking shots" at his or her Upper rank our sensei will stop it and remind the lower rank that we need to have mutual respect in our class. It doesn't take too long for the offending student to come around. This is easy in our class because we have a tight group of people who have been together for awhile. That being said it doesn't take too long for a new student to see the light on the matter.

keep training, Mark

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#432185 - 04/25/11 05:08 PM Re: Control [Re: gojuman59]
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Registered: 02/26/11
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I was sparring with a red belt the other night, (I'm a white belt), and I got popped in the face.
Not hard, but I still felt it pretty good.
He apologized, and everything was cool, but it taught me a good lesson. Keep your hands up, and be ready to defend or evade even when you're throwing a punch.
I was pretty focused after that, and he didn't get me again.
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#432190 - 04/26/11 10:53 AM Re: Control [Re: choonbee]
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Loc: Missouri
I guess I'm lucky that my class is fairly small. When we spar everybody pretty much knows each other. Nobody would hit too hard because we are friends. That's not to say that we don't get after it sometimes.
There are a few people in class who like to push it in sparring, but nothing gets out of hand.
In my former M.A. career this wasn't always the case. There were times when my anger got me in trouble while sparring. Usually this came up when ego got in the way. That being said, it's much better now. Now as a middle aged martial artist I am not burdened by the hot temper that came into play sometimes when sparring as a younger man.
Anger should never enter the picture in the dojo. I found that when I got hit hard and reacted to the hit I usually lost my technique and started getting sloppy. It took me a long time to mine out that golden nugget.
When I matured as a martial artist and tried to remain calm I found that I had better technique.
It really is true that the mental game is more important than the physical one. It's not just fighting. We hold ourselves to a higher standard than that.

keep on training, Mark

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#432193 - 04/26/11 04:52 PM Re: Control [Re: gojuman59]
choonbee Offline
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Registered: 02/26/11
Posts: 195
I agree.
The guy who hit me accidentally is actually one of two guys in class, besides my instructors, who have helped me the most thus far, and has been a good friend to me. We've sparred against each other before with no problems, and we were paired up again last night to practice some ground work.
I did feel a twinge of anger at first, and had to work past it, but it was a good learning experience for me. My technique was jumbled up for a short bit until I calmed down.
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#432236 - 04/30/11 11:37 PM Re: Control [Re: Brusashi]
Ronin1966 Offline
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Registered: 04/26/02
Posts: 3116
Loc: East Coast, United States
Hello Brusashi

Fileboy202 is quite right. Talk to your teacher, directly... And ASK your partner "...I want to go harder, is that ok with you?..." <wg>

Won't hurt... (until it does)
Jeff

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#432444 - 05/22/11 12:38 AM Re: Control [Re: Ronin1966]
Razma Offline
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Registered: 05/19/11
Posts: 36
I think there's a need for some power. We rarely spar at my dojo and when we do it's no contact. I get lazy because of this. I get tagged but nothing is behind it. And the higher belt stops his attack just short of my face. He says it's control but I always feel like it would've never hit me. For them it's control but I always feel like they missed.

I don't show up to class to leave with a broken nose or all bloody and I know no one else does either, but there should be some feeling behind an attack.

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#432445 - 05/22/11 07:40 AM Re: Control [Re: Razma]
choonbee Offline
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Registered: 02/26/11
Posts: 195
There's this one guy in my school who I seem to get paired up with quite often who has very little control.
Every time I work with him, he always catches me numerous times with some kind of strike or kick.
The problem is that he tries to go too hard, and tenses up when executing a technique. Not a good combination.
I spoke to the owner about it, and he agreed, since he's seen this guy in action. He spoke with him about it, but I don't think it sunk into his brain.
The other night I was paired up with him again, and sure enough, he caught me numerous times. I glanced at the owner, who was teaching the class, and he gave me a half-smile.
Right after that, we worked a technique, and I caught him on the chin with an elbow strike. Accidentally on purpose. Not a crusher, but enough to get his undivided attention. Nothing was said by anyone as he bent over rubbing his chin, then we resumed our training, and I wasn't tagged by this guy for the rest of the class.


Edited by choonbee (05/22/11 07:41 AM)
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#432446 - 05/22/11 07:48 AM Re: Control [Re: Razma]
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Loc: Missouri
I agree. There has to be some power in the techniques. If not you could pull your punch at the worst possible time. Just imagine how bad it would be to need a power strike in a S.D. situation and it comes out as a "Tap..Tap."
It's hard to train for the contact. At least it is for me. At this point in my life I'm not real keen on banging away like I used to in my youth. I don't mind some contact, but I try to keep the welts and bruises down to a minimal.

keep training, Mark

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