I wonder if there is a internal hard qigong, I know that the traditional training include hard qigong or at least conditioning. I know there are qigong forms like 8 brocades but is it enough to attain true hard qigong ? I asked this to an instructor and he said one can have hard qigong without conditioning but it will take lots of qigong/internal training. And as far as I know, master wang shu jin never did hard qigong but could absorb hits with his belly. So this led me to confusion, can qigong forms and internal training alone produce the same results as shaolin hard qigong ?