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#430308 - 10/05/10 12:54 AM Great Savate Highlight reel
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Francoise Pennachio was one of the greatest 'combat' savateurs in living memory. He is also the fighter who famously defeated Ramon Dekker in an open Muay Thai vs Savate challenge

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbjabp_clip-pennachio-version-rock_sport

Now that's some good kickboxing right there cool
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#430309 - 10/05/10 04:58 AM Re: Great Savate Highlight reel [Re: Cord]
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Great find Cord, I haven't seen much Savate, that looks like some pretty devastating stuff in the right hands. I like my muay thai but boy that guy could kick.
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#430310 - 10/05/10 08:47 AM Re: Great Savate Highlight reel [Re: Stormdragon]
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2 things about Savate that make it an interesting skillset in self defence.

1. footwork and evasion. Good savateurs have the best movement in any art. I am not a fan of these absolutes, but honestly, there is nothing more miserable than trying to catch a good savateur. I know, because I am/was a bad savateur wink . There is no doubt that Muay Thai clinch, use of elbows etc are rightfully considered devastating, but you never have to look for your oponent in a muay thai fight- they are always 3 feet in front of you wink . Savate can teach you skills that can create space in a phone booth. SD 101 keep moving, keep your attacker(s) off balance and on the trot. That's savate.

2. It is a booted art. The kicks are designed to turn your feet into the weapon, not the leg. In competition like that clip, the fighters keep their boots in ice boxes to make them extra hard (they are already reinfrced boots). Again, in an SD situation, a savateur wearing work boots is going to make an attacker hurt badly very quickly. Dont get me wrong, I have nothing but love for muay thai's powerfull shin kicks, but the effect tends to be accumulative. I have experienced, and seen on a frequent basis, a well placed boot dig in to a thigh and give an instant dead leg. Truly horrible- and awesome wink

This is why Dekker had such trouble - the conditioning he had was for a different kind of impact and damage, and the nature of the kicks meant that he could not check their damage either. His leg went quickly, and he just could not catch the little bugger to give him some in return.

Again, not trying to do an 'art vs' argument, but Savate does get a bit of a rough deal in regards to rep and awareness, and its a shame because it presents a very usefull skillset in a very 'live' environment.
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#430311 - 10/05/10 10:29 AM Re: Great Savate Highlight reel [Re: Cord]
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Savate has always interested me, although I have never had any instruction in it. Savateurs do seem to have the ability to throw strikes from all angles, and use some really good footwork. I would love to train a bit of that! Cord, if it makes you feel any better, Bruce Lee thought pretty highly of Savate. smile
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#430312 - 10/05/10 01:05 PM Re: Great Savate Highlight reel [Re: MattJ]
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Sent a PM to you Matt.
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#430315 - 10/06/10 12:42 AM Re: Great Savate Highlight reel [Re: Prizewriter]
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I can imagine botted kicks are brutal (and faster than our kicks), although I have taken some pretty light shin kicks that nonetheless, with perfect form were also pretty brutal, I saw my instructor actually break the hooks off a thai heavy bag secured on both top and bottom. That's femur breaking power. If a botted savate kick is worse than that I hope I never face a savateur!
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#430319 - 10/06/10 06:29 AM Re: Great Savate Highlight reel [Re: Stormdragon]
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There are some good fights online.

This is D. Fall-telemaque -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GtUYcmEhtc

in a combat bout.

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#430322 - 10/06/10 07:28 AM Re: Great Savate Highlight reel [Re: matt_mcg]
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Er booted, no idea why I kept saying botted. Anyhow, that Savate stuff looks like TKD on roids. Good stuff.
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#430324 - 10/06/10 09:05 AM Re: Great Savate Highlight reel [Re: Stormdragon]
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Storm,

while that does sound impressive I wonder if they were new hooks or have taken a lot of abuse over time.
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#430326 - 10/06/10 02:52 PM Re: Great Savate Highlight reel [Re: JasonM]
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Freshly installed Jason. They just opened the school and finished the inside a few weeks ago (it happened about a week after it opened, we all sat there jaws dropped). Dave Hagen is also a pretty solid 260 lbs. and has been involved in thai boxing for decades.
So how do typical Savate workouts go anyway?
By the way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShAAxFmOTQ4&feature=fvw interesting


Edited by Stormdragon (10/06/10 05:17 PM)
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#430343 - 10/07/10 04:40 AM Re: Great Savate Highlight reel [Re: Stormdragon]
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Can anyone remember the name of the savateur who won his fight after having both his arms broken by kicks?

Gilles something...

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#430344 - 10/07/10 04:53 AM Re: Great Savate Highlight reel [Re: Stormdragon]
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Gilles Le Duigou. wink

Originally Posted By: Stormdragon
Er booted, no idea why I kept saying botted.

Well, maybe because that would be the French spelling ("le chat botté" = "the booted cat" = "Puss in boots")...
Which is only fitting, when speaking of Savate. grin
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#430345 - 10/07/10 06:43 AM Re: Great Savate Highlight reel [Re: Shi Ronglang]
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Yeah, you could say that the french language is integrale to the art wink

(ah, savate in-jokes, will they ever cease to be funny?)
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