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#429992 - 09/16/10 09:02 AM Re: Pulse Rates [Re: Cord]
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ya know it is so cool that some of us guys can talk about this. I mean, a bud of mine at work were actually discussing colonoscopy's (sp). Not many dudes can do that but I think it is important. If you nip it early it could mean a lot. Just like in my case, i have always managed a great BP reading, and all my blood work has been great. Even being over weight. However, by a chance of fate my wife made me a Dr appt with a new doctor and they did blood work on the spot. That is when I learned I have a pre cursor to diabetes. That was a wake up call and luckily it was a routine check up that found it. smile
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#429999 - 09/16/10 02:32 PM Re: Pulse Rates [Re: JasonM]
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Thanks again for the info Cord. I agree, can get false readings if obsess about it and I've done that before. And yes, all that you listed about me is correct for how I function and little sleep.

I have no problem discussing health Jason, I think we are grown ups and things like this I think need to be discussed. And if one of us can share an experience and somebody else who reads it realizes they are not going through it alone, that just means that much more for ways of positivity.
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#430085 - 09/22/10 11:22 AM Re: Pulse Rates [Re: Cord]
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Well actually the more air you bring in the slower the heart will beat...combat breathing studies show this. When you sleep you switch to belly breathing and the heart and respiration rates also drop.
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#430100 - 09/23/10 10:05 AM Re: Pulse Rates [Re: duanew]
Cord Offline
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Your body is sedentary when asleep, and brain function and biochemistry change- that is what makes the heart rate drop.

'Battle breathing' as you call it, is a relaxation technique designed to minimise stress hormones like adrenaline that amp your system for fight or flight. Again, dealing with this has nothing to do with the amount of oxygen you take in.

There is no such thing as 'belly breathing'. Breathing is the intake of air in to the lungs, where gaseous exchage occurs via the alveoli. The lungs are actually massively over specified for our requirements, given that even under the exertion of physical stress, we do not use 1/3rd of their intake capacity.

Believe what you want, but belly breathing does not give you a significantly higher volume of oxygenated blood.
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#430103 - 09/23/10 11:08 AM Re: Pulse Rates [Re: Cord]
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Combat breathing increases oxygen thus lower the heart rate reducing the likelihood of the onset of those physiological changes brought on by a stress induced increase in heart rate.See Bruce Siddle or Lt. Col. Dave Grossmans work on the subject.

Duane

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#430106 - 09/23/10 12:02 PM Re: Pulse Rates [Re: duanew]
Cord Offline
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I dont need to. The relaxation inherent in deep breathing has nothing to do with increased oxygen levels, which if anything, would make you euphoric and impar judgement further.

Regulated breathing tells the autonomic emergency systems that it is ok to shutdown- it is the domino you push that sends all other fight or flight responses toppling.

Like I said, you are free to believe what you wish.
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#430119 - 09/24/10 07:19 AM Re: Pulse Rates [Re: Cord]
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And you are too. The scientific research doesn't agree with you. I'll stick with science.

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#430122 - 09/24/10 01:29 PM Re: Pulse Rates [Re: duanew]
Cord Offline
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Care to explain why fight or flight primes the body to take in more oxygen by increasing breathing rate, yet this increase in gaseous exchange fuels, not quells adrenal dump?

Deep breathing is a relaxation technique, and no matter how you engage the diaphragm, the act of respiration comes from the lungs, not the 'belly'.

Elevated breathing rate is the one aspect of stress physiology that you can control. By doing so, you send conscious signals to the unconscious physiology that it can relax. The adrnaline dissipates, and that is why pulse rate drops. It has nothing to do with oxygen saturation levels.
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#430124 - 09/24/10 02:45 PM Re: Pulse Rates [Re: Cord]
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The answer lies in Siddles and Grossmans writings-but you "don't need to" read those.
"Belly" breathing-note the quotes-is one name given to a breathing technique-also called-autogenic, combat, tactical, meditative, etc.By drawing the belly downand out you engage the diagphram more and increase the amount of oxygen brought into the lungs by utilizing more than the upper third-as most "chest" breathers do.
The technique has been taught to thousand of police and military personnel around the world...and it works. No euphoria or lapses in judgement have been noted.
But what do they know.

Duane

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#430125 - 09/24/10 03:08 PM Re: Pulse Rates [Re: duanew]
Cord Offline
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And the increase in oxygen intake, (as minimal as it is, being more down to surface area of alveoli than amount of air inhaled), is not what lowers the heart rate in stressed environments.

You think this kind of breathing was invented by these guys? Its a technique used by people as diverse as yogi's and opera singers. Certainly over time, the lungs can be conditioned to recieve and utilise more oxygen, but even with such people conditioned to do so, in a fight or flight situation, it is not the oxygen levels aquired from deep breathing that lower the pulse rate, it is the triggers sent tot he autonomic nervous system to shut down its emergency physiological processes.

Also, at this point, can I ask you if this is a subject so dear to your heart that you feel it right to take a tone with me? Is this the pi$$ing contest you desire?

The reason I said i dont need to read those books is because I have a whole stack of literature on the respiratory system that I had to learn as part of my academic studies in sports science. If this came off as dissmissive, then sorry, its just I already have a solid grasp of how and why the body works the way it does.

At the end of the day, deep breathing exercises can lower pulse rate. On that we agree. You believe it is down to oxygen content in the blood, I disagree, as I know the effect it has on other aspects of the physiology. If thats an impasse you want to butt heads over, then you have less planned for your weekend than I do wink
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