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#429615 - 09/03/10 01:26 AM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Stormdragon]
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I'm someone who has a LOT of conservative views (though I don't label myself conservative because I also have a lot of lbieral views) and even I think this is stupid. What do you want to do, ban movies by Al Gore? How about companies just maintain better security. And then you're creating jobs.
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#429617 - 09/03/10 02:25 AM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Stormdragon]
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Ignorant people who haven't read up on politics apparently think all environmentalism is the same thing, and fail to understand distinctions. Like any other ideology environmentalism has a history, and a wide spectrum of beliefs associated with it.

Most of the lunacy this guy was talking has more in common with early right-wing libertarian style environmental thinkers than with someone as milquetoast as Al Gore or some other mainstream liberal. He may have been influenced by the movie, but the concept of humans being "filthy", the obsessions with population control, even with doing away with humans for the good of the earth..those ideas have connections to radical right wing environmental movements that came about a number of years ago.


If you don't believe me, read up on the history of the environmental movement, it has a whole right, even far-right tendency within it...environmentalists aren't just yuppies driving hyrbids, there's all kinds.

So yeah, being an environmentalist doesn't automatically make someone left-wing or liberal, he also railed against immigration in one of his writings, he does not appear to hold left wing views in general.

Cheap tactic to try connecting this guy with an ideology you just happen to disagree with, when he was obviously just kind of a loon.

Then again, every time I check in periodically on this site, you appear to be doing that. Nice to know things haven't changed much.




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#429623 - 09/03/10 11:43 AM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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What are you saying Zach? Did he not watch Al Gore's Movie? Was he not Dangerous?

Don't cloud the issue with your socialist use of "facts" or "historical accuracy". That's what you Ivory tower elite's with your left wing media buddies always try and do when you know your on the wrong side of the American People with your Big Government Junk Science Agenda!

The Man watched Al Gore's Movie, and put innocent American's lives in danger. I know it, you know it, and the American people are not going to stand for it!

(so you think I have future in Am radio?)

Sadly, My little rant, as tongue in cheek as it is,is not all that far from the vitriolic rantings we see on a daily basis in the political discourse in this country. And I don't want to hear that it's "coming from both sides" that's BS. This is the tactic of the right that has co-op'd conservatives ideals (they are by no means conservatives) The Left has it's nut jobs for sure, the middle (most people) are silent because they are turned off by the dialog, and the rest are either weak leaders or so few in numbers their voices are drown out by the rabble.

OK MODs...shut 'er down!


Edited by Kimo2007 (09/03/10 02:28 PM)
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#429634 - 09/03/10 08:20 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Kimo2007]
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No it's not BS, it does come from both sides and that's because it's a basic political tactic to shut down the other side. Don't act like the right is the big bad enemy. The left is full of idiotic extremists who really are socialists looking to lay waste to thigns like our constitutuion and paint a picture of the right as a bunch of warmongers and rich peopel looking to suck money from the little guy. That's the same reason Russia became a socialist country and then look what happened. That being said, only fringe members of either side actually intend for things like what happened at the Discovery Channel building. Both sides lie their way to success but neither incites this kind of violence purposefully, it's the frigne that does that. Crazy people who take ideologies to severe extremes.
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#429635 - 09/03/10 08:59 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Stormdragon]
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vitriolic rantings


Was what I said, not that there were not 2 sides. For every Al Sharpton you have 10 Rush, Glenn, Sean's and on and on. It's politically correct to say we are hearing from both sides of a debate, but to paraphrase Lou Black, putting a Professor of History across from a Holocaust Denier is not both sides of a debate. It's a farce.

Historically in other nations, if you want to say these tactics were used by those on the left I would agree, Soviets, Castro, Chavez and others. It's not about the political stance or belief system, it's about the tactics.

So, to circle back to my original point. It's not happening on both sides, this is the home field advantage of the far right in the US right now, and oddly enough, it's probably bitten them in the ass because the Tea Party has taken it too another level pushing moderates out of the party and taking things even further to the extreme right.

Again, I am not discussing specific policies here storm, I am talking tactics and posturing. Chicken Hawk BS. Though I do find you shot at the Constitution interesting when the greatest offenders of it come from those who claim to hold it so dear.

Since this is probably going to get shut down as we are well into enemy territory,in terms of rules violations, feel free to PM me, I'll give you my email and we can continue this conversation offline.
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#429637 - 09/03/10 09:33 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Kimo2007]
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The right has done that too, but right now it's more the left in terms of gettign rid of the constitution imo. And political tactics are pretty much the same, posturing is pretty much the same no matter what party we talk about, that's why I say it's both. But, I'll continue this outside of this forum.
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#429654 - 09/04/10 07:34 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Stormdragon]
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I wish people complainig about what I inferred to this nut job did the same thing when Mcveigh blew up the federal building. It was immediately used to attack the most effective critics of President Clinton at the time. Clinton used it personally to try and smear Rush, Hannity and the rest. No, I do not think that Gore is actually responsible for this nut job. However, the next time the main stream media attacks a conservative for the acts of a lone nut job, please remember what you said here. Especially as the Tea Party movement becomes more effective. It is not a racist movement, they want a limited federal government and they want the politicians in washington and in the various states to stop spending our money. The left is currently trying to destroy the Tea Party movement by trying to label them as racist, and dangerous. The only political violence in the last year has come from the left. Check youtube for the beating of the African American man at the townhall meeting by the S.E.I.U. thugs. Check out the beating of Bobby Jindals campaign finance director and her boyfriend after the conservative dinner in Louisiana. The liberal thugs broke her leg in two places and gave him a mild concussion. Check Brietbarts sight for the anti-tea party people throwing eggs at the tea party buses on their way to searchlight Nevada. And yes, they are trying to destroy Breitbart right now because he exposed the A.C.O.R.N. organization as it tried to help two people set up an underage, illegal alien house of prostitution. They did this in several different states and in each case ACORN employees did nothing but help them. So lets not say the burden is on the right. And please, the environmental movement and the zero population movement have always been left wing movements. People who believe in limited government, and the rights of the individual, right wing ideas, do not support the wackiness of the environmental extremists.
*****Also, Mayor Bloomberg in New York did the exact same thing with the attempted Time Square bomber. When asked about who he thought may have done it he said that if he were to put down 25 cents, it would probably turn out to be a middle age white guy upset about healthcare reform. He is a highly visible political figure of the left. He is one of the reasons I did this post. The actual Time Square bomber was, wait for it, a muslim religous radical. Not a guy upset about healthcare reform.


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#429660 - 09/04/10 10:13 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: bcihak]
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I don't agree with labelling the Tea Party movement as extreme or dangerous either. And I don't think Timmothy Mcveigh's actions should be blamed on conservatives, that's absurd. It's liek saying the Unabomber was made to do what he did by the right. Stupid. You want to know of a group much more worthless and damaging than the Tea Party movement? The ACLU.
I do think that you can be o nthe right but still agree with a lot of the lefts environmental theories, many do. Mostly because they have soem good points o nthat. A peopel jsut take it too far too quick (by tryign to completely stop logging entirely for instance withotu replacing it as a source of income for certain communities.
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#429663 - 09/04/10 10:22 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Stormdragon]
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I think the unabomber may be a bad example here because he also was a fan of Al Gores book. In fact they have a game you can play called "who said this, Al Gore or the Unabomber." You can google Al Gore and Unabomber and it is the first link. I saw a link to this recently on a site. The unabomber was another lefty. Do you mean his dislike of the right helped motivate him, or do you mean he was on the right when he was blowing people up. Just curious.


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#429664 - 09/04/10 10:38 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: bcihak]
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If you listen or watch Glen Beck you can hear some really odd thingsabout the early progressive movement. For example, Teddy Roosevelt said some disturbing things about controlling the population among the poor. These early environmentalists were still lefties and not people who were conservative. I am not sure what you mean Zach Zinn. The modern and even old environmental movements were always more leftie than conservative. I mean, look at Planned Parent hood as another example. They are a lefty group, and they were created to control the population in the inner city black communities. When people want these big all controlling solutions from the federal government, they tend to be on the left. Another example of political violence, almost all presidential assasinations were committed by left wingers. The others were comitted by nuts like squeky From, and the guy who shot reagan. Another example, when the G8 or the World trade organization meet, it isn't right wingers rampaging through the streets breaking the windows on Starbucks coffee shops.
Also, before america woke up to the threat of radical muslim terrorism, the number one terrorist activity in the united states was, wait for it, Eco-terrorism committed by A.L.F and E.L.F. against car dealerships, ski resorts, animal research labs and on and on.


Edited by bcihak (09/04/10 10:46 PM)

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