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#429780 - 09/07/10 07:20 AM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: bcihak]
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bcihak, your passive-aggressive BS is as clear to Cord as it is to me. Once again, quit your whining, crybaby. You'll get a better response from us when you stop jamming your insane political ramblings in to every single post you make.

Can't be any more clear than that.
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#429786 - 09/07/10 05:52 PM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: MattJ]
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MattJ, maybe you and Cord could take the yoga class together.

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#429787 - 09/07/10 06:07 PM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: bcihak]
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*rolls eyes* Exactly what I mean.
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#429791 - 09/07/10 09:39 PM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: MattJ]
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Matt does Yoga already. I do not, though I am pretty sure that even if I did, It would not make me see your trolling of the film forum as any less predictable or repetetive.
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#429804 - 09/08/10 09:49 AM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: Cord]
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Movie looks good, I don't care what the political message is, Trejo kicks ass. That said though, making Mexico a nice, happy place for Mexicans and adopting the unhappy ones till Mexico becomes such isn't our job. You come to America to be an American, not a Mexican. Why is it that when every other country cracks down on illegal immigration and even immigration in general nobody gives a rats ass, when we do it "oh my god you're all racists and you're abusing human rights blah blah blah" what a double standard. If America is such a great place to be, than grow some balls and put in the effort to get here they way our laws saw are acceptable. Otherwise [censored] off.
And yes we could've saved a lot of money on Iraq, I wish we had, it was a pointless war. Had we saved all the money what obligation would we have had to give it all to Mexicans or any other country has to have all their problems solved for them?
Mexico doesn't even want their people, they hate it when we send Mexicans back to Mexico. What kind of country does that? Your poor, sorry, that sucks, find something useful to produce and create jobs.
What about their human rights abuses? We happen to be one of the strongest countries on earth for a few years and suddenly it's our job to save everybody. I'm all for helping people, key word being HELP not do everything.
End rant.


Edited by Stormdragon (09/08/10 09:51 AM)
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#429891 - 09/11/10 01:26 PM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: Stormdragon]
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Originally Posted By: Stormdragon
That said though, making Mexico a nice, happy place for Mexicans and adopting the unhappy ones till Mexico becomes such isn't our job.


No. Why help neighbour when you can shoot a stranger right?

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You come to America to be an American, not a Mexican.


I take it you walk the streets on St Patricks day berating your countrymen for celebrating the day then?

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Why is it that when every other country cracks down on illegal immigration and even immigration in general nobody gives a rats ass, when we do it "oh my god you're all racists and you're abusing human rights blah blah blah" what a double standard.


Mainly because no other country defines itself as a land of opportunity for the poor and a fresh start for the disenfranchised of the world. Also, because no other country is as young, nor as entirely built by the labour of immigrants as the USA. just makes it all that little extra bit hypocritical.

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If America is such a great place to be, than grow some balls and put in the effort to get here they way our laws saw are acceptable. Otherwise [censored] off.


Jeez, maybe you and Bcihak should balaclava-up and go angle grind the poem off the plaque on the statue of liberty together. Then you could go pay a couple of bucks to screw illegal immigrant prostitutes being forced by organised criminals to pay off their transportation fee by gagging on their knees for 20 guys a day. Its the american way.

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And yes we could've saved a lot of money on Iraq, I wish we had, it was a pointless war. Had we saved all the money what obligation would we have had to give it all to Mexicans or any other country has to have all their problems solved for them?


You dont get it do you? Immigration is your problem. It costs billions to try and police the borders, and its not working. If you invest that same money in fixing the infrastructure of mexico, you make less people have the need to escape. Its a different means to the same end, its just one way you dont have to act like a bunch of racist a$$holes in the process.

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Mexico doesn't even want their people, they hate it when we send Mexicans back to Mexico. What kind of country does that?


The kind that cannot feed or support them. 1 Trillion invested in death in the middle east, and investing in life on your very doorstep seems illogical to you.

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Your poor, sorry, that sucks, find something useful to produce and create jobs.


OK Storm, you can't read, you can't write, you live in a 1 horse dustbowl and that horse is lame. Make a life for yourself mate, go on, give me an action plan.

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What about their human rights abuses?


If you buy into their development, you buy control and influence. You could stop that.

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We happen to be one of the strongest countries on earth for a few years and suddenly it's our job to save everybody. I'm all for helping people, key word being HELP not do everything.
End rant.


Its a role you snatched greedily, and having done so, its a bit damn strange to get selective about it.
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#429902 - 09/12/10 02:11 AM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: Cord]
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Yes, vulgarity from Cord, on top of name calling and swearing, good job. You know, kids may be on this sight and if I was a moderator I would deleat your last post. Yes, we should give billions of dollars to Mexican criminal politicians so they can line their own pockets at the expense of their own people. The same criminal politicians in mexico who have created a climate that drives their people to cross a desert with violent criminals in order to escape the crushing poverty their politicians have created. I'm sure the money would be wisely spent. How exactly is asking that people obey the law being a racist. I don't care if you come from Mexico, Ireland, Germany or Antarctica, just obey our laws to become a citizen, just like the people who are obeying the laws. I would have to say helping all of the screwed up countries around the world is something we have been reluctant to do, especially in the past. It is money well spent in the middle east. If you can turn islamic based dictatorships closer to democracies of some form, they may stop sending terrorists around the world to kill us, you and the israelis, and the spanish and the australians and india ....Besides, it is good to have large numbers of troops on both sides of Iran. It will be easier to help their dissidents over throw their islamic terrorist supporting governments if we are in the neighborhood than if we have to do it from a long distance. that is when we actually have a president who doesn't think that Iran with nukes is a good idea. Apparently we have given Mexico money to develop oil drilling in the gulf of mexico, you know, the same gulf of mexico that our current president has put a moratorium on American oil drilling. That really makes sense.


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#429903 - 09/12/10 03:08 AM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: bcihak]
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Originally Posted By: bcihak
Yes, vulgarity from Cord, on top of name calling and swearing, good job. You know, kids may be on this sight and if I was a moderator I would deleat your last post.


Then fee free to report it. That is your right, your complaint will not be handled by me, and nor will I be treated with favouritism by the mod handling the complaint.
Of course, technicaly, all political discussion is against the rules on this site, so your multiple threads attempting to address poliitical agenda in mainstream movies are all against code of conduct, and I could have deleted/locked them at any time. I do like a bit of freedom of speech here and there though- how about you?

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Yes, we should give billions of dollars to Mexican criminal politicians so they can line their own pockets at the expense of their own people. The same criminal politicians in mexico who have created a climate that drives their people to cross a desert with violent criminals in order to escape the crushing poverty their politicians have created. I'm sure the money would be wisely spent.


Magnificent misrepresentation of the possibilities inherent in funding reform of the magnitute in this hypothetical situation. With the equivalent budget of the war plus homeland mexican border patrols, you could literaly rebuild the political infrastructure from the ground up, and ensure that the corruption was less blatant, less reckless, and more in line with developed countries democratic process.

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How exactly is asking that people obey the law being a racist. I don't care if you come from Mexico, Ireland, Germany or Antarctica, just obey our laws to become a citizen, just like the people who are obeying the laws.


But the rules ensure that only those with money can come in. What use is a land of opportunity when it precludes that opportunity from those that need it?

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I would have to say helping all of the screwed up countries around the world is something we have been reluctant to do, especially in the past.


The past is the past. This is simply not the case with modern America. Its true that you were reluctant to help allied forces fight Hitler until nearly half way through the war, and if it were not for Pearl Harbour, exactly how far you would have let him get with his plan we will never know, but thankfully your govt. got its act together in the nick of time.

Nowadays, its all about freedom for the middle east. You want to help these impoverished, undeveloped peoples, struggling under the yolk of unjust rule. You will throw the lives of the young to the winds like confetti in the name of freedom for people who culturaly neither want, understand, or appreciate a western concept of democracy. They dont want teen-pregnancy, Britney Spears, McDonalds or bubblegum. They do not see the west as having a blueprint for a better way of life.

So why 'help' those who never asked for it, nor even seem to want it?

It can't be because of compassion for your fellow man, I mean, after all, you have just acknowledged the crushing poverty and corruption that exists in Mexico, and you clearly couldn't give a cr4p about them.

Nor can it be because you disagree inherently with unjust dictatorship - because Mugabe has done 50 times the damage and horror that Saddam ever did, and your leaders will give that lunatic a belly-rub and a good hotel when he visits.

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It is money well spent in the middle east.


So what's in the middle east that plucks at your heart strings? Oil? Strategic Military position?

On a machiavellian level, these are not unreasonable things to covet, but for goodness sake, dont try and sell the whole thing as an act of compassion, or as anything other than speculation for accumulation.

There is no book-profit in acts of genuine kindness, and that is why you will always make excuses for leaving Mexico poor and desperate, whilst charging in saving those who dont want a conditional freedom based on adoption of a culture foreign to them. That is Rome all over again, and as high as an empire rises, it is its nature to fall.
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#429907 - 09/12/10 11:17 AM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: Cord]
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Again, I respectfully ask that this thread now be ended. It's odd that one of the readers and not a moderator has to repeatedly make this request. How does one become a moderator on this site?

Kathryn
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#429909 - 09/12/10 12:56 PM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: Kathryn]
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Originally Posted By: Kathryn
Again, I respectfully ask that this thread now be ended. It's odd that one of the readers and not a moderator has to repeatedly make this request. How does one become a moderator on this site?

Kathryn


You get asked by the administrator, based on a body of quality contributions over a long membership on the site. Having proven expertise in a particular topic and an ability and enthusiasm to discuss it helps also.
Back in the day, this site was a very different beast, with trolls, and a very high number of 'drive by' posters. The trolls were locked down hard in a war of attrition, and have long since found easier sites to disrupt. The volume of posting was killed by the banner adverts (site owners choice) meaning the site now gets flagged as high risk on several major search engines, so traffic slowed considerably.

As for this or any other thread, the path they take, and the content cannot be dictated by the originator - that is simply not how public conversation works. I agree that this thread has gone a bit off topic, but to be fair, nobody seemed too interested in discussing the film, merely some of the issues it touches on through its fictional context.

I am in a no win situation, as if I dont lock it, you feel I am negligent, and if I do lock it, bc and possibly storm will feel I have abused my mod. powers to deny them right of reply.

I suggest that those guys be given last word on the material that you seem unhappy about, and then you post a review of the movie, with your thoughts/opinions on it as a piece of cinema to get the thread back where you want it to be.

If it gets sabotaged/hijacked again, well, then I will just lock it down.

Sound fair?
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