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#429743 - 09/06/10 01:00 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: bcihak]
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Originally Posted By: bcihak
Remember too that David Duke was a famous racist who tried to run on the republican ticket. He was cast out by the party and ridiculed every step of the way.


How do you know he wasn't cast out simply to avoid the bad publicity of havign an overt racist running in your party? A lot of people on the right are racist, I don't know how anyone can deny that, or not see that it's entirely likely that they hide their views to gain votes. Both sides do that to a great degree. Sort of like Obama promising to end the wars and brign the troops home and then just diverting forces to Afghanistan.

You have to be careful who you support, no matter what side you're looking at.
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#429746 - 09/06/10 01:19 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Stormdragon]
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While the current administration is looking for a LOT of regulation. Which in theory makes sense to me but as far as I know that has always ended up decreasing production and quality of performance, results in layoffs and all that stuff.


Well, the issue lies in the happy medium of proper regulation and free enterprise. Antitrust Laws Good, Government run education programs not so good.

It's a mistake to believe profit driven motive creates the best outcome for society in all cases. While it's important to reward those willing to work harder than the next guy and create the incentive to do so, you must also create either an incentive or repercussion for doing or not doing the right thing (following the law/morals). Capitalism/Greed has no moral code. It's a winner take all model, and that has it's place in the buyer beware market. To a point. But no system is absolute. Milton Friedman was wrong in his let them eat cake manifesto. At some point you just have to share.
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#429747 - 09/06/10 01:45 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Kimo2007]
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Agreed.
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#429750 - 09/06/10 02:51 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Stormdragon]
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Kimo2007, you may have hurt my feelings a little. Wait, let me see, no, I'm O.K. I think I will stick with Milton Friedman and the other guys. I think Europe is about to change directions as well. Hopefully it won't take us as long as it took them to realize massive government isn't the answer.

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#429753 - 09/06/10 03:36 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Kimo2007]
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I wonder, why is it that the people on the opposite side of my issues always start the name calling first or feel the need to swear? I've looked back through the posts and some of the others I'm on and it always seems to be the case. Thoughts?

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#429754 - 09/06/10 03:40 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: bcihak]
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I like sharing too, I just don't like the government saying that over 20 percent is not enough mandatory sharing.

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#429756 - 09/06/10 04:03 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: bcihak]
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I think raising taxes tends to be thrown out there as a be-all-end-all solution when it's merely a bandaid in many ways. I think right now taxes are either a little high or rather they just tax way too many different things, but there should always be a healthy tax rate. Too high of taxes and production is affected negatively, too low and a lot of basic public services aren't fullfilled. It's a tough balance that no one i nrecent years have really managed well. I'm don't see eye to eye with the ones out there who expect taxes to be next to nothing, that doesn't make anything better either.

That said the current administration seems to want to use that as the answer to all of our problems when it's not going to solve the real problems, it'll just buy us time and give us some short term jumps to work from.


Edited by Stormdragon (09/06/10 04:04 PM)
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#429757 - 09/06/10 04:15 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: bcihak]
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wonder, why is it that the people on the opposite side of my issues always start the name calling first or feel the need to swear? I've looked back through the posts and some of the others I'm on and it always seems to be the case. Thoughts?


Oh because you drive us to distraction with your wackiness. At a certain point it really becomes more about having some fun because I realize I'm not going to get anywhere. You cannot teach a man something he already he thinks he knows.

You have made completely indefensible sweeping generalizations. You've referenced economists debunking arguments I haven't even made.

Fringe thinkers and elements and movements are incapable of governing, except in the form of dictatorships because they are completely incapable of compromise and devoid of the capacity to accept viewpoints counter to their own. This is why the Tea Party will ultimately fail. It's also why Al Shrapton or David Duke will never move beyond fringe political figures.

But, that said you should continue to fight for what you believe in, despite my words I do admire your passion. I only hope you continue to open you eyes and ears and come to different views not because I think you should, but because you come to them on your own terms.

"America isn't easy; America is advance citizenship. You gotta want it bad because it's going to put up a fight. It's going to say: 'you want free speech, let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.' "


Edited by Kimo2007 (09/06/10 04:16 PM)
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#429758 - 09/06/10 04:23 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Kimo2007]
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Yeah, I can live with you Kimo2007. As they say, we can agree to disagree, but I would add, if we had a better forum and more time we might see more eye to eye on certain things than we both think. Maybe.

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#429759 - 09/06/10 04:25 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: bcihak]
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I just came across an article by Jonah Goldberg(via Pajamasmedia.com) at National Review Online. Wow, Margaret Sanger, the founder of planned parent hood, and H.G. Wells believed in Eugenics. Some unpleasant people to say the least.

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