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#429687 - 09/05/10 04:09 PM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: bcihak]
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Originally Posted By: bcihak
Does Jessica Alba say that people who believe only in legal immigration should be cut down? What exactly did she say? Who would you rather be stopped by, Mexican border guards on the southern border of Mexico, or American Border patrol in any American border state?


What are you babbling about?

You have posited that this film is 'anti-american' ,(quite frankly you seem to think everything from Shakespear to The Muppets have anti USA agenda messages, and its not only getting boring, but a little tragic), and I have offered a direct example of a character in the film who is a duly appointed representative of the US government who is a hero in the movie.

A corrupt senator would be against everything you value in the concept of your free america, so in truth, battling such a character makes Machete pro USA doesnt it.
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#429692 - 09/05/10 05:17 PM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: bcihak]
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I'm curious about what Kathryn has to say. Is Jessica Alba the way John Nolte states she is or is she more like the way cord describes her speach about illegal aliens vs. Americans?

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#429709 - 09/06/10 04:34 AM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: bcihak]
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Why not watch it yourself and form your own opinion?

There is something vastly Ironic about a country built by, and populated exclusively by, immigrant, population, that then simultaneously celebrates their non indiginous heritages, whilst turning hostile to the concept of immigration from a race of people who are the only one's with a history of living on the land mass in question for thousands of years.

Emma Lazarus is no doubt, a veritable gyroscope within her grave.
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#429720 - 09/06/10 08:49 AM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: Cord]
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I have heard enough to make me wait till its on cable. Also, we aren't hostile to immigration by any group. My grandparents came from Germany and Ireland. They, however, followed the rules. The immigrants from mexico are just as welcome as anyone else, but they are breaking the law. Scotlands guy over here, Craig Ferguson just became a U.S. citizen. It took him years to become a citizen. Should we tell him, yeah, you went through all the hoops, paid a lot of money and waited a long time, but we will ignore all of that just because it is easy to walk across the border from mexico.

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#429723 - 09/06/10 09:04 AM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: bcihak]
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Should we tell him, yeah, you went through all the hoops, paid a lot of money and waited a long time, but we will ignore all of that just because it is easy to walk across the border from mexico.


Birds fly south for the winter, to where they know that they can find food and ensure their young survive. If they had access to the food in the north, they would not ned to make the journey.

The war in Iraq has so far cost 3 TRILLION DOLLARS. Imagine how much good that would have done for the infrastructure of Mexico, and the opportunities and lives of its people.
Imagine how many less would be desperate enough to leave their families, their homes and risk their lives in the underworld of illegal migrant work.

The Irish had a terrible reputation upon their arrival en masse in the US just 160 years ago, due to the blight. They didnt have money to buy themselves a new start, they just had desperation, and hope, and need for a better life.

If you were alive back then, your granparents wouldnt have stood a f*cking chance in the USA that you are so proud of would they?

As a patriot, as a defender of American values, you should be ashamed of yourself.
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#429735 - 09/06/10 11:58 AM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: Cord]
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I respectfully ask that this thread not be turned into a political fight.

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#429749 - 09/06/10 02:45 PM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: Kathryn]
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What are you talking about? Tell your story to the mexican government, it's their job to look after their citizens. Not stood a chance? Funny how many immigrants did stand a chance and made good lives here. True, whatever process we have for clearing new immigrants in needs to be streamlined, but come on. Everyone needs to follow the same process until its fixed. There are a lot of people waiting to be citizens besides people from mexico. Back to the point, I think Robert Rodriguez is a pretty bad director, and story teller. From Predators, he seems to be okay at the producing side.

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#429752 - 09/06/10 03:29 PM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: bcihak]
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Oh, what's with the swearing anyway? I asked some polite questions. Why so testy?

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#429761 - 09/06/10 04:55 PM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: bcihak]
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Kathryn, no problem.

bcihak, you didnt ask some 'polite' questions, you trolled with the only criteria you seem to judge a movie on, being its relation to your narrow, unpleasant idea of what your country stands for.

The irony is that, if and when anti american sentiment is expressed in any of the arts, it is as a direct result of people like you, not the silent majority of US citizens who truly believe and want it to be a land of opportunity for all.
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#429762 - 09/06/10 05:01 PM Re: Machete == September 3rd [Re: Cord]
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Do you drink a lot of red bull when you go on line? A lot of stress at work? Have you tried yoga? I have heard it is quite relaxing.

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