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#429666 - 09/04/10 11:52 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: bcihak]
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Al Gore's movie and book came out long after the Unabomber got started (the late 60's or early 70's I believe?).
As far as him being conservative or left? I don't think he aligned with the left necessairly because the left is generally (not ALWAYS but often) in favor of things like censorship or polital correctness in everything which he wasn't. That's one example. The left is in favor of things like stem cell research (and I say left to simplify things but there is a lot of overlap on some issues it all depends o nthe indivisual but these are just general truths) while the Unabomber (Ted Kazynski) was very much AGAINST (well, any modern sciences or progress).
This is also why I take things o na case by case basis instead of just marking right or left down the line when I vote like some people. I like the left's approach to scientific research and progress but I do not agree with the general left approach to other things.
The right has a habit of not giving 2 s$its abotu the environment which I think you're ignoring or not realizing. The real environmental extremists on the left are there but many or most on the left are not in favor of eco terrorism which is why I think you're reading too much into the origional issue you posted about.


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#429678 - 09/05/10 01:12 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: bcihak]
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Rush, Hannity and the rest.


They should be smeared, they are using their First Amendment Rights as means to enrich themselves at the expense of the American People they Claim to care so much about. They are Chicken Hawks, they wrap themselves in the American Flag, pronounce their patriotism then look you squarely in the eye and lie directly to you on a nightly basis.

They play upon the fear and prejudice of the population to grab ratings and sensationalism. They convince people to vote against their own best interests on a regular basis.

They are bankrolled by big business and foreign interests, the same people who bankroll the lobbyist they claim to hate so much who control the government they are so up in arms against...please.

You come on here you post your wacky crap calling Rush and "effective critic". How can anyone take you seriously when you don't know a circus clown when you see one?

Let me lay it our for you. These people have agendas, that means it doesn't matter what gets said, or what the facts are, they will always, without exception spin the information to line up with whatever works best for their agenda. Period. Always. No exceptions.

Nothing else in nature or life works this way. That is why it's a complete and utter waste of your time to concern yourself with what they have to say.

Unless you can look yourself in the mirror and honestly think that Bill Clinton was 100% wrong on everything all of the time. Because according to Rush in the 90's he was. Today, it's Obama and now we have Beck who is literally making up history on his chalkboard and reporting as fact while he cries us river.

I really enjoyed when he compared Socialism and Fascism to the Progressive Movement. The fact that those are on the polar opposite political side seemed to escape him I guess was a detail that was of little consequence...but hey, if he can sell it.

OH, FYI the Tea Party may not be a racist movement, but there are a ton of racist in it. No question about that. The Tea Party Movement has attracted a lot of people full of hate for no other reason than they love to hate people who are different. Has nothing to do with my feelings about the ideology, it's just a fact.

FYI-the stimulus package, probably prevented a full on depression. While you might not get this, taking tax dollars and pumping them directly into the American Economy is about the best thing you can do with tax dollars, period. You might see it as waste, but that is a very simplistic view and betrays and basic misunderstanding of the economic cycle and how it works. Spending, even wasteful spending is far better than stagnation, or spending cuts for an economy. As long as the spending is taking place within the economy.

Part of our Pro business problem is we keep laying down for big business, and big business keeps sending our money to other economies, and those economies are not sending it back.

I swear to God, the next RW pundit who rails on Obama for the Stimulus Package (which was a policy continued from Bush because it was a GOOD F**Kin idea) I think I'm just going to punch him in the face, yea right in the Melon. Like a tax on being stupid.

I better end my rant....
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#429680 - 09/05/10 01:28 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Kimo2007]
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The stimulus package was a horrible idea, and it did nothing to stave off the recession and in fact has been prolonging it. In fact, most of the stimulus has been held back because Barack and the democrats want to spend it right before the next presidential election. So much for using it to help the economy. Socialism, fascism and progressivism are all part of the same idea of big government entities controlling every aspect of the lives of the little people. Pumping tax dollars into an economy is not basic economics it is basic silliness. It never works, it lengthened and deepened the great depression. There are more racists in theNAACP and the SEIU and most other liberal organizations than you will ever find in the tea party. Any racists seen at a tea party event are planted there by liberals as they follow the "Rules for Radicals" created by Saul Olinsky.


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#429683 - 09/05/10 02:15 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: bcihak]
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The stimulus package was a horrible idea, and it did nothing to stave off the recession


Uh huh, care to find me an economist who actually makes a living in the field who supports your theory? How about I post pictures of all those republicans posing with over sized checks as they brought the projects home to their districts.

If there is a knock on the stimulus it's that it was too small and rolled out too slowly.

You say it's silliness? How exactly is taking money and spending it in an economy silly? Please do tell? I'm dying to have this explained to me. OH in fact it prolonged the recession? How is that even possible? Mathematically?

Socialism and Fascism are two completely different things. Unless you choose to redefine words to suit your own ends you must recognize the differences in order to understand why the world has created the different terms. IF there were not differences, we wouldn't need different terms.

Make no mistake, the people who have your attention are using those associations to tap your anger and by not defining the differences and presenting them as different words for the same thing thing, betray their deception. If they were honest, they could make their case without drawing inaccurate and unnecessary parallels.

I have issues with the NAACP, you would be mistaken to assume by taking you to task that I automatically support groups on the left. I don't. In fact should I ever run for an office, my party would independent of any existing group, and my opening line and theme of my campaign would be " Are you Fuc***g Kidding Me"

But, to say "any racist" are planted by liberals...come on man (see campaign slogan) The hard right is loaded with racist. I have met them personally. So there is no doubt, they are there. Face it, there are people on the earth who hate Black, Mexican, Gays, Muslims, Asians, etc...pretty much because they were born. The Tea party attacks these types of people. Get over it.

News Flash, the Klan votes Republican and/or Liberation. Hippies vote Democratic and/or Green Party.

Certain realities exist period.
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#429685 - 09/05/10 03:37 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Kimo2007]
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Walter williams, Thomas Sowell, Milton and Rose Friedman, Friedrich van Hayek, Adam Smith how about. You can hear Milton friedman take apart your argument on youtube as he discusses big government with Phil Dohahue, check it out. They will tell you the government taking the money out of the private economy, where there are consequences for bad decisions is a bad idea. The government has no accountability, can print money to cover its mistakes, can spend money on waste in order to get votes from particular groups, especially big government loving big corporations. I remember a story of a state that bought 2 million dollars in computers for all of their schools. The computers were lost in the delivery and sat in a state warehouse for 5 years. In a business, where you have to actually cover mistakes like that, you would eventually go out of business. Our country is out of money, our states are out of money. The government sucking up more money to buy votes is not the way to fix the economy. And the tea party movement is taking on our corrupt republicans. The tea party movement is labled a racist movement by the real racists in the democrat party. As long as the minorities give them their vote, they get a basic subsistance, much like the days of slavery but the hard labor has been removed. Remember, Republicans freed the slaves, the Republicans fought the klan to protect the freed slaves, the democrats started the Jim Crow laws and segregated the schools. A Republican President, Eisenhower called on the 82nd airborne to open up the schools that were being blocked by the democrats. Remember also, Dick Durbin and Barack Obama shut down the voucher program that allowed minority kids to have scholarships to Sidwell Friends, the school that Baracks kids go to. They do not believe in helping minorities beyond what little they have to do to get their votes. Remember also that more Republicans voted for the civil rights act of 1964 as opposed to the democrats who fought against it. Bill Clinton's political mentor voted against it, Al Gores dad voted against it, Robert Byrd, the democrat senator who recently died was an honest to goodness Klan member. He was a recruiter for the klan and started his own chapter of the klan. And before you say, he changed, yeah, he saw which way the country was turning and jumped ship. He did his part to keep minorities poor as a senator after "changing"
Socialism and facism are the same thing. They both demand massive, controlling government to dictate every aspect of life to the masses. Choclate and vanilla are different flavors of ice cream but they are the same thing, ice cream, so with socialism, communism and fascism. Fascism was a term coined by Stalin or it may have been Lenin to distinguish their form of totalitarian government from the german totolitarian government. Look it up.
Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin as well as their counterparts in Japan were all lefties. They believed in big controlling government, the government taking huge amounts of money in the form of taxes so that they could spend it where it was needed by the state. They believed in stimulus all the time and look where it got them.


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#429686 - 09/05/10 03:57 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Stormdragon]
bcihak Offline
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Loc: Illinois
I wonder when we will get locked down. I just wanted to point out the hypocrisy of the people who blame certain nuts on conservatives but deny their own nuts. That's all. Thanks.

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#429689 - 09/05/10 04:33 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: bcihak]
Kimo2007 Offline
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Remember, Republicans freed the slaves


I always love this one, as if those of then are these of now. You do realize the Klan and their types are still cut from the same cloth, regardless of which party courted them right?

Currently the right is courting the racists white voter, they rely on their number to stay in power. There is no debate on this issue so don't try and pretend their is.

Senator Byrd was a racist [censored] of the highest order when he was a young man, in that time it was the Democratic Party of the South that courted the White Racist vote. There is no debate on that issue. They lost that vote with the Civil rights movement FYI and there were plenty of opportunist more than happy to step in and fill the void.

Now you want to claim they freed the slaves? Please.

Socialism is a left wing ideology, Fascism is a right wing ideology. Sorry, you don't get to make up your own definitions because you don't like the real one. Bottom line, they both lead to a very small group of angry men telling everyone else what to do.

As far as Milton Friedman taking apart my argument, you apparently have no idea what my argument is, instead what you have done is pushed some big government idea onto me, and then posted against that. Whatever.

I'm all for free enterprise a limited government. That's why the stimulus package makes sense. It takes our tax dollars out of the hands of the government and puts them directly back into the hands of Americans. It's a huge tax cut, that's all it is. It's not a program or entitlement.

Oh and news flash, you are the government. Business has no accountability. You have all the say even rights when it comes to your government, but you have zero say when it comes to business, they exist for their own sakes and owe you nothing. But they do lobby your government, then do heavily influence your life, you news. Yet you seem to in no way want to hold them even a little accountable for their role in anything that happens.

OK I'm done here.
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#429691 - 09/05/10 05:07 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: Kimo2007]
bcihak Offline
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Loc: Illinois
You read too much left wing propaganda, the right is not courting the racist vote, the left is the racist vote. Republicans opposed slavery as a party, they were founded on that principle. The Democrats at the time of the civil war wanted to restart the slave trade. The democrats wanted slavery to be allowed in the new states, the democrats seceeded from the union when the first republican president was elected because they were afraid he was going to end slavery. A democrat supporter, John Wilkes Booth assasinated the first Republican president. The democrats started the klan to suppress the newly freed slaves, they fought against the reconstruction of the south, started the jim crow laws, the anti-voting measures against the newly freed blacks. The democrats attacked the black civil rights movement with nightsticks, dogs and firehoses. the democrats voted against the civil rights act. The democrats, today, fight school vouchers for inner city minorities, the vouchers meant to help them escape horrible inner city schools. So tell me, which party is the party of actual racists. Businesses have the only real accountability until they become so huge they can buy members of the political class. Small businesses who do not serve the needs of their clientele go out of business because people stop giving them money. The government takes tax money to fund useless and wasteful projects that go over budget and when they fail, the politicians simply raise taxes or print more money or increase the debt. So tell me, who is really better at spending your money, you or the corrupt politician who can raise your taxes and then not Pay their own taxes. Such as John Kerry, Charles Rangel, Tim Geitner, Chris Dodd, and too many of Obamas close political operatives.


Edited by bcihak (09/05/10 05:08 PM)

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#429693 - 09/05/10 05:30 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: bcihak]
bcihak Offline
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Do you want to see your idea of the tea party as racists? Go to Alfonzo Rachel (Zonation) at the Dallas tea party on Youtube. You might see and hear some things about the tea party that you won't hear anywhere else.

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#429694 - 09/05/10 06:01 PM Re: conspiracy-nut [Re: bcihak]
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That's all. Thanks.


What happened?

You are very confused about history-Right-Left-Democrat-Republican...they don't track neatly as you would like to believe.

I don't read left or right wing propaganda...you on the other hand are drowning.
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Small businesses who do not serve the needs of their clientele


What do you know of it? I own businesses, I live it every day. You speak in sweep generalizations, all or nothing. Really enough. I went to the horrible inner city schools BTW. And it wasn't Democrats who attacked with nightsticks, it was racists, hateful mean angry people. And if you think those same people are voting democrat today, then you are just lying to yourself. Understand the differnce between the Tea Party being racist and the Tea Party attracting Racist.

Understand the difference between being Racist and being Prejudice? (probably not since you haven't grasped socialism and fascism yet)...OK time to BBQ with my Hippie leftist friends so we can plot the downfall of the commoner.
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