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#428859 - 08/05/10 07:52 AM Bixer vs Martial Artist
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Hi guys,
I always wandered who will win the fight a boxer or martial artist under the provision that both are in the same weight category and are proficient in their sport.
What do you think? confused
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#428865 - 08/05/10 11:05 AM Re: Bixer vs Martial Artist [Re: maco]
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Its similar to youtubing judo vs karate etc, this merely depends on teh individuals participating, and whats your definition of winning? KO, submission, points etc

Most martial arts are concentrated on distance fighting, so if the fight stays that way, obviously the MA will win via kick to head or something like that, but the boxer is a close combat specialist, so getting close is what they want, and theyll release all types of hell on your body.

Yet again, if you have interceptive martial artists participation ie stopping the attack before its fully delivered the ball is in the court of the MA specialist again

So the query is really vague, refine your statement, and you should have more positive feedback, but as I recall, this topic has been covered multiple times and boils down to that theres no right or wrong martial art/fighting style, its boils down to what works for the individual and of course circumstances (and a little luck) smile
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#428874 - 08/05/10 07:12 PM Re: Bexer vs Martial Artist [Re: ninpopo]
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Originally Posted By: ninpopo


Most martial arts are concentrated on distance fighting, so if the fight stays that way, obviously the MA will win via kick to head or something like that, but the boxer is a close combat specialist, so getting close is what they want, and theyll release all types of hell on your body.

Yet again, if you have interceptive martial artists participation ie stopping the attack before its fully delivered the ball is in the court of the MA specialist again

Yes, boxers are close combat specialist but also let’s say Wing Chun is designed for close combat.
Just recently I have watched both movies Ip Man and in one of them he fights a boxer. I would thought that Wing Chun was presented in a negative light as no other Kung Fu master could win the fight but Ip Man himself. However, he had grate difficulties to win the fight almost impossible.
In my opinion martial arts is more powerful than boxing as every part of the body is used as a weapon but in boxing only the fist. The only thing in boxer’s advantage is probably their body is conditioned to take a lot more punches than martial artist.
I am new to the forum so please excuse me if I am repeating topics.
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#428888 - 08/06/10 04:05 AM Re: Bexer vs Martial Artist [Re: maco]
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Welcome to the forums. Some boxing vs Kung Fu (boxer in white trunks, kung fu guy in blue trunks):



Boxing trains in what can be described as in an "alive" manner. The opponent offers maximum resistance during a boxing bout.

Boxing is also a full contact sport.

Wing Chun doesn't generally spar in this way. They train in pre-rehearsed forms or in semi-complient "sticking hands" drills.

Basically you have a category of fighter who trains full contact with maximum resistance (boxers) vs a category of fighters who train "dead" patterns and seldom get any resistance training.

In terms of fighting in a match up, would you favour the more realistic conditions boxers are constantly exposed to, or the static, rehearsed condidtions that many Wing Chun practioners are involved with? I know who my money is on.

Also, I've never seen ANY clips online of Wing Chun practioner come out on top vs a combatant who practices "alive" training methods. Look for matches of Wing Chun vs boxing/Muay Thai/Brazilian Ju Jitsu/Kyokushin and see what happens. Here's another example (Wing Chun fighter in black, Kyokushinkai fighter in the all white gi):



Remember too Bruce Lee, although hardly the arch authority on martial arts, decided he needed to learn other methods of martial arts, including boxing, even though he had a base in Wing Chun. He believed Wing Chun alone wasn't adequate for his training.

A martial art can "allow" other parts of the body to be used as weapons all they want. If they don't train them realistically using conditions that replicate an actual fight though, what use are they? It's like giving someone some bullets without a gun.

I love the Ip Man movies. I could watch Donnie Yen every night of the week. However, it is only a film loosely based on Yip Man's life.

I also think Wing Chun is an interesting system, and I know of one practioner who has tried with some success to blend elements of it in to full contact stand up fighting. It's just the modus operandi of most Wing Chun schools currently doesn't favour the same "alive" training method as used by arts such as boxing or Muay Thai. Any art that trains in a "dead" manner will always be at a disadvantage when it enters an "alive" setting, such as a continuous full contact fight.
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#428901 - 08/06/10 10:06 AM Re: Bexer vs Martial Artist [Re: Prizewriter]
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PW is right on. Very few arts are able to be complete, and cross-training is a great idea, IMHO. I have blended some Wing Chun elements into my Parker kenpo stuff with very effective results. I agree with PW that "live" or "resistant" training is the key to make any art effective.
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#428905 - 08/06/10 11:08 AM Re: Bexer vs Martial Artist [Re: MattJ]
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hehe that sucka went down like a sack of rocks
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#428937 - 08/08/10 08:09 AM Re: Bexer vs Martial Artist [Re: ninpopo]
Pillars Offline
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Hmmm, i'm kind of disappointed as i mis-read the topic as Biker vs Martial artist, and was hoping for a huge guy in leathers against a small asian.

But seriously, as Prizewriter says, all that really matters (as all martial arts have plus points) is the way in which you train - and resistance is necessary.

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#428939 - 08/08/10 11:48 AM Re: Bexer vs Martial Artist [Re: Pillars]
Kimo2007 Offline
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Historically, at least before MMA training came into vogue, Boxers were professional athletes and Martial Artists were skinny guys with paunches that smelled like incense.

Stick them in a ring and generally, the boxer is going to prevail.
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#428945 - 08/08/10 07:48 PM Re: Bexer vs Martial Artist [Re: Kimo2007]
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The Kyukoshin player in the video was Joko Ninomia.


Edited by oldman (08/08/10 07:54 PM)
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#428973 - 08/10/10 08:03 AM Re: Bexer vs Martial Artist [Re: oldman]
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Originally Posted By: oldman
The Kyukoshin player in the video was Joko Ninomia.


Googled the gentleman there. Founder of Enshin Karate no less! Assuming I have the right person.
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