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#428952 - 08/09/10 10:31 AM Re: Silva vs. Sonnen (SPOILER) [Re: MattJ]
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I didn't see the fight, I was able to hear the last round online only. So did Silva just take Sonnen to lightly and Sonnen had the night of his life, or did they both come to fight?

Is Sonnen Joe Frazier or Leon Spinks?
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#428953 - 08/09/10 10:37 AM Re: Silva vs. Sonnen (SPOILER) [Re: Kimo2007]
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The whole card was good, though the Fitch's fight was a little boring but a good fight for Fitch none the less. Wasn't sure about Sonnen's trash talking but it was entertaining to say the least. And his fight, incredibly impressive; I am a believer. Sadly he lost due to perhaps being tired and making a simple mistake. He was busier then anybody I have seen. His wrestling is very impressive especially that reversal. Watch this video, he still a little trashy but has class. Props to Sonnen ... HE BROUGHT IT.

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news/256013/UFC-117-Press-Conference-Highlights/
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#428955 - 08/09/10 11:52 AM Re: Silva vs. Sonnen (SPOILER) [Re: MattJ]
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Sonnen brought it, he backed up all that he said. But in the end just like his other major competitions he came in second place. He can talk the talk and bring it but he cant win it. In the end Silva dug deep and showed once again why jui-jistu is so vital. Just like the late great Helio Gracie said, "Jui-jitsu is not about winning a fight quickly. It is about outlasting the bigger and stronger opponent and surviving." Which is what Silva did.

Sonnen said, "to me having a black belt under the Nogueria brothers is like me finding a toy in my happy meal."

At the end of the fight Silva put on his BJJ Gi, thanked his coaches his sparring partners and last but not least called out Nogueria brother's Jui-jitsu. Something I never heard him say before. Usually he just thanks the brothers individually but never say's their school name.

That being said I was very impressed with Sonnen's adaptation of pure wrestling by not using the hooks while he had Silva's back aloud him to maintain top position should Silva try to roll out or attempt a sweep.
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#428957 - 08/09/10 12:16 PM Re: Silva vs. Sonnen (SPOILER) [Re: TeK9]
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Poor old Sonnen, he did everything he could to beat Silva, and was well on his way to winning, then got triangled by a bit of a hail mary, although Silva was setting it up for a good minute before he sunk it in. I guess no one saw that triangle coming(teehee!).

I think Sonnen's problem are basically 2-fold. Firstly, bad submission defence that has been obvious in all of his UFC losses- Filho, Maia, Silva. Secondly, Sonnen is not a finisher. He possesses the tools to beat up fighters and grind them out, but cannot stop fighters. I mean, he has literally zero tko/submission victories in the UFC! Against guys like Silva, who only need a small window to finish, Sonnen has to fight flawlessly. Apparently being infallible is pretty difficult over 25 minutes.

Great to see Fitch get a win. Alves looked like the weight cut had drained him a lot, and there wasn't much snap in his stand-up. Some people are talking about going up to 185, but I think he should just lose some weight and continue fighting at 170. He has an awful lot of muscle, and could lose some of it without seriously impairing his game. At 185 he doesn't have the reach to be as successful a striker, and will have a lot more trouble defending takedowns.

Junior Dos Santos was very impressive too. I've seen him a couple of times, but he always flew under the radar for me, since beating Gilbert Ivel is no sign of greatness to me. But his boxing is great, and he showed a good chin and the ability to keep going despite basically punching himself out in the first. Against Velasquez or Lesnar he may have his hands full though. I can't see him staying upright against Velasquez for very long, and his only chance will be to land a big shot in the small window he has.

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#428960 - 08/09/10 03:06 PM Re: Silva vs. Sonnen (SPOILER) [Re: TeK9]
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Originally Posted By: TeK9
Sonnen brought it, he backed up all that he said. But in the end just like his other major competitions he came in second place. He can talk the talk and bring it but he cant win it. In the end Silva dug deep and showed once again why jui-jistu is so vital. Just like the late great Helio Gracie said, "Jui-jitsu is not about winning a fight quickly. It is about outlasting the bigger and stronger opponent and surviving." Which is what Silva did.


I disagree. If this was just a fight with Anderson Silva and not a belt match, with 3 rounds Silva would have lost and lost horribly. But this was championship rounds and I'm sure Sonnen was tired, and yes it was a hail-may by Silva because Sonnen defending all previous attempts by Silva. Sonnen reversed moves and DOMINATED the fight up until he made a mistake.

If you pay attention to the Underground or other MMA sites, you will see numerous discussions that Wrestling is now the best foundation to have in MMA today; not BJJ. You still have to know BJJ but Wrestling is proving to be a far better foundation. Just look how many fighters are successful with this, they are some of the top people in MMA today.

If Sonnen would have been a BJJ guy and not a Wrestler, this match would have ended earlier; it is only because of his Wrestling he did so well. And BJJ against a BJJ, one will eventually make a mistake and the other will capitalize on it, no different then Silva did with Sonnen. It had nothing to do with BJJ, it was simply the 5th round, it was because of being tired and keep as busy as he had from the beginning of the fight, and because of making a mistake ... nothing more. Not taking anything away from Silva because for him to being controlled and losing for over 4.5 rounds of the fight and still to pull off that move, that is definitely skill. But not for once do I attribute this to more then what it was, a mistake. A mistake that numerous of people have done and will do regardless of art learned.

Props to Sonnen big time. He handled Silva easily. He kept busy the whole time. He would have won but made a mistake that cost him. He was tired, you could see it in his eyes. The amount of skill and energy he had to keep Silva down was incredible. From my own grappling/wrestling experience, I always found it harder to keep the top position then to fight from my back. More energy is needed to stay on top then to be on the bottom. Sonnen earned my respect big time. I'm still not a Silva fan but will take nothing away from him.
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#428962 - 08/09/10 03:24 PM Re: Silva vs. Sonnen (SPOILER) [Re: Dereck]
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This match was a true endurance test for the audience. I have a sore throat from yelling at Silva to get off the mat! But one thing I found very interesting about this match was that for the thousand or so punches that Sonnen gave, there were no significant marks on Silva's face. He got punch drunk and a bit swoellen. Every hit that Silva gave back drew blood on Sonnen.

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#428963 - 08/09/10 04:38 PM Re: Silva vs. Sonnen (SPOILER) [Re: Kathryn]
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Yeah, I have to agree with Dereck about wrestling as the base to have. It appears that wrestlers with a modicum of BJJ training can generally tool pure BJJ guys, as much as it pains me to say that (being a semi-BJJ guy). Check the Hughes/Almeida match for further proof.

That said, Silva bucked that trend with Sonnen, albeit barely. Give it up for BJJ in this case.
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#428965 - 08/09/10 04:48 PM Re: Silva vs. Sonnen (SPOILER) [Re: MattJ]
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Or can we stick with the old adage "It's not the dog in the fight, its the fight in the dog"!

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#428966 - 08/09/10 05:20 PM Re: Silva vs. Sonnen (SPOILER) [Re: VDJ]
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Definitely the dog in the fight does ring true but a dog with a good base will always do better then a dog without.

Originally Posted By: Kathryn
But one thing I found very interesting about this match was that for the thousand or so punches that Sonnen gave, there were no significant marks on Silva's face. He got punch drunk and a bit swoellen. Every hit that Silva gave back drew blood on Sonnen.


White people seem to bleed more then others. Perhaps not as tough skin, who knows for sure but perhaps somebody with a medical background can explain it better. But bleeding is never a sign of who wins, not by a long shot. GSP, Sean Sherk, Forrest Griffin, Keith Jardine and many others easily bleed. One of the worst was the late Evan Tanner. It is like bruising. I bruise but it takes sometimes a lot but my wife, she walks into something whether she knows it or not, big bruise. And I've met some in my training that never bleed or bruise even when taking a beating; I always had battle scars.

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#428967 - 08/09/10 05:35 PM Re: Silva vs. Sonnen (SPOILER) [Re: Dereck]
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Heh, I'm not sure that white people bleed more than others, but I do know that elbows will cut the bejesus out of anyone. That's how Silva cut Sonnen, with the elbows from underneath.

I think guys that have been cut before (like Sonnen, Marcus Davis, Sherk, Griffin, etc) are more easily cut because of all the scar tissue they already have. Silva is good about not getting hit, so he doesn't cut as easily.

*disclaimer - MattJ is not a doctor, he just plays one on the internets


Edited by MattJ (08/09/10 05:36 PM)
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