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#428332 - 07/15/10 08:33 AM Re: Powerlifting Questions? [Re: SocratesTheBeast]
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Ok slick I'm pretty much done here. I'm not even going to start to get in to this with you and why what you just said doesn't even begin to stack up.

I think anyone who has even has somewhat of an idea about strength training will see your 6 week "expert" opinion for what it is. Suffice to say I won't be troubling you for advice any time soon.

Good Day to you sir.


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#428337 - 07/15/10 12:29 PM Re: Powerlifting Questions? [Re: SocratesTheBeast]
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Socrates -

I am not sure I am following your logic here. According your your logic I could seek out a martial art instructor that has only trained for the last week and I would get some good training?

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#428341 - 07/15/10 05:25 PM Re: Powerlifting Questions? [Re: JasonM]
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Prize, I guess I shouldn't train abs since it's not a major muscle involved in powerlifting right? Or do cardio? You make no sense. Why would you only train certain muscles when you can be strong in every aspect in general? That doesn't even make sense.

Jason, the point is, me lifting for 6 weeks has nothing to do with my knowledge of it, like I said, I've been lifting for YEARS, I just started SERIOUSLY lifting a month ago.

Like I said, I know a guy who knew everything he was being taught about computers beforehand, so how can one assume he knows nothing because he is a starting freshmen?
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#428347 - 07/16/10 07:28 AM Re: Powerlifting Questions? [Re: SocratesTheBeast]
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actually, I would disagree on that statement. That abs aren't a major muscles worked when powerlifting. If done correctly the cores is a major muscles worked when powerlifting.

The years you were lifting was that taught by a coach or via your own research? I know some lifts you need a coach or you could seriously hurt yourself. I have been lifting for a while too but I won't even attempt a clean and jerk. I was talking to a PT at my gym and it took over 6 months for him to properly learn the movement.
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#428349 - 07/16/10 12:34 PM Re: Powerlifting Questions? [Re: SocratesTheBeast]
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Originally Posted By: SocratesTheBeast
Storm, I knew a kid who knew everything he was being taught in his computer classes because he knew them beforehand, so just because he went to SCHOOL for it doesn't mean he didn't know it, so now, common sense says you are a fool.




Time in study is time in study. Whether in school or online. Someone who has studied for a year knows more than someone who studied for 6 weeks. How they studied may or may not matter (depends on the person) but more time spent studying means more knowledge about a particular subject. And on this subject bodybuilding mags don't count.,


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#428382 - 07/17/10 04:57 PM Re: Powerlifting Questions? [Re: Stormdragon]
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It is not unusual for people focussing on compound lifts to experience fantastic improvement during the 1st 6 months of regular training, even if what they are doing is not optimal. Its a golden period of initial adaption.

Most sports performance coaches now agree that a good benchmark (pardon the pun) to indicate a posterior chain strong enough to facilitate maximum athletic performance is the ability to squat 1.5 x bodyweight and deadlift 2 x bodyweight. If you cant do that, then you are not even strong in relation to top level triple jumpers or sprinters, let alone dedicated strength athletes.

That being said, I am all for new blood on here, so if you want to put up your cycles, percentage RM phases, how you incorporate pure postives, pure negatives, band work, chain work, complimentary CNS work, active recovery phases etc, then I am sure many will be interested to see them, especially from a beginner's point of view.
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#428387 - 07/17/10 09:50 PM Re: Powerlifting Questions? [Re: Cord]
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My squat should be about 1.5 give or take 10 lbs or so. Now my deadlift is definitely not double bodyweight (which would be around 410). My best deadlift was 345. Squat was 310. When I work legs now it's generally leg presses and extensions/curls so I'm not sure but I imagine it's still around the same. Not great but not terrible. I have a tough time imagining sprinters deadlifting that uch but I don't know.
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#428388 - 07/18/10 01:47 AM Re: Powerlifting Questions? [Re: Stormdragon]
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they dont/wouldn't incorporate 1rm as integral to training, but will work percentage of 1 rm as part of increasing drive power. The 1.5 and 2 x bodyweight is the minimum power to weight ratio that has been found to be where functional performance begins to peak. You will find many running backs/recievers in the NFL that far exceed that ratio.

Ross Enemait is a fine example of a functional athlete, who's focus is not power for power's sake, but who is a believer in conditioning the posterior chain for fight performance.

Here is footage of him applying that strength to the deadlift movement, as opposed to having used heavy deadlift to achieve it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95D7lj-A6tA
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#428391 - 07/18/10 02:13 AM Re: Powerlifting Questions? [Re: Cord]
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I see. Even when I deadlift hard and regularly it really doesn't go far. I don't know what it is but I can't increase by DL much at all. It's incredibly discouraging. Of course everything else seems to be gaining again after since hitting my 20's after plateuing for awhile so maybe that would too.
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#428393 - 07/18/10 02:47 AM Re: Powerlifting Questions? [Re: Stormdragon]
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That is probably a technique issue Storm, as when DL technique is correct, it is probably the easiest exercise to progress on. If your coordination in the DL is wrong however, then you will hit limitations quickly.
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