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#427944 - 06/25/10 03:26 PM Re: AUTHENTIC & FRAUDULENT! Fans, Beware & Be Informed [Re: LifesFist]
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After all... I don't need to hear anything about secondhand artists.
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#427957 - 06/26/10 02:45 PM Re: AUTHENTIC & FRAUDULENT! Fans, Beware & Be Informed [Re: LifesFist]
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Originally Posted By: LifesFist
After all... I don't need to hear anything about secondhand artists.


It depends what you consider a 'secondhand artist'.

Does following someone elses 'tao' amke you second-hand, or taking a tao which is supposed to be liberating and then turning it into exactly the same kind of rigid system the original tao was supposed to liberate you from (as I'm sure you'll agree).

If you're referring to Barton-Wright as 'second-hand', that is interesting. He devised a cross-training system using several of the same styles Bruce Lee later used in his original idea of JKD (Savate, boxing, Judo and fencing). Lee fought against rigid forms and promoted cross training... the current buzz-word in MMA. Barton-Wright was doing that in the previous century.

But again, you seem to be assuming the ones you haven't heard about are second-hand. Maybe they were the original... Let's face it, much of what people know about BL is filtered through so much politics and mythology that it is hard to know what is really his and what isn't.
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#427979 - 06/27/10 12:49 PM Re: AUTHENTIC & FRAUDULENT! Fans, Beware & Be Informed [Re: trevek]
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#428008 - 06/29/10 02:44 AM Re: AUTHENTIC & FRAUDULENT! Fans, Beware & Be Informed [Re: LifesFist]
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Trevek

I know you don't mean to deliberately but when you and other say things like "Lee wasn't the first". It's almost as if your trying to discredit the mans ideas. Or just chip away at his glamor which many fans tend to be blinded by.

The only people who claim he invented this and that are his fans who idolized him. I don't think Lee was fighting against anything. I just assume he was to busy working and training doing his own thing to worry about what everyone else was doing. He tried to promote his brand to get the word out. But I don't think he was trying to convert the masses. I believe the only people he tried to educate were his personal students. His ideas were just that...ideas. The Tao of JKD was just a book, it's not the bible as many MAist like to think it is.

So Lee didn't invent the wheel, but a whole lot more people are using it now a day's because they saw how well it worked for him. I know bad analogy.
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#428010 - 06/29/10 06:05 AM Re: AUTHENTIC & FRAUDULENT! Fans, Beware & Be Informed [Re: TeK9]
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Tek, you've hit the nail on the head. I am not trying to discredit Lee at all, I am/was, I have said, trying to contest the OP. It then talks of offical and genuine practitioners of JKD in a way which appears to restrict those who can really follow the philosophy as those with certificates. This is what Lifesfist was objecting to (and was right to do so).

Like you say, it is the fans who make this mythology and it was this I was objecting to. Previously, I've heard such comments as "the greatest martial artist of all time" applied to Lee! Such comments are, simply, irritating and demeaning to many who went before. Lee, as far as I know, never made any statements that he was doing anything particularly new. Most genuine innovators don't because they respect those that went before.

I accept that Lifesfist may have been annoyed be me calling Lee a 'film actor' but, a point which you concur with, many people only heard about these ideas because of Lee's films (and even then, didn't realise what the philosophy was). Ironically, more people probably got started on learning traditional arts ('the classical mess') through Bruce Lee than ever found JKD.

Lifesfist simply read my post out of context and came back with a rather insulting knee-jerk reaction IMHO. He(?) then appears to sulk about someone else having their turn with the ball. Mind you, at least s/he plays. I note the OP has never come back.
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#428011 - 06/29/10 07:59 AM Re: AUTHENTIC & FRAUDULENT! Fans, Beware & Be Informed [Re: trevek]
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What a poorness of a huge talker...


Edited by LifesFist (06/29/10 08:00 AM)
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#428028 - 07/01/10 05:54 AM Re: AUTHENTIC & FRAUDULENT! Fans, Beware & Be Informed [Re: LifesFist]
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...the tedium and closed-mindedness of the self-righteous-enlightened.



Edited by trevek (07/01/10 06:19 AM)
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#428034 - 07/01/10 12:58 PM Re: AUTHENTIC & FRAUDULENT! Fans, Beware & Be Informed [Re: trevek]
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At last You wrote smth direct and simple... Congratulations !!!
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#428046 - 07/02/10 05:15 AM Re: AUTHENTIC & FRAUDULENT! Fans, Beware & Be Informed [Re: LifesFist]
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Originally Posted By: LifesFist
At last You wrote smth direct and simple... Congratulations !!!


I thought it was just enough for your intellect to cope with;-D
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#428048 - 07/02/10 06:29 AM Re: AUTHENTIC & FRAUDULENT! Fans, Beware & Be Informed [Re: trevek]
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Stop the insult fest.

Trevek, I still enjoy reading your stuff.
Lifesfist, stop being such a moody guy. Cheer up and enjoy the arguements.

-Donnie out
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