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#427113 - 05/11/10 05:37 PM Re: pudzianowski-vs-sylvia?! [Re: Cord]
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Originally Posted By: Cord

He is quite a character though - this was from some celebrity reality show.


To make it more remarkable, it was live on Saturday, the day after his fight.
He and his partner got full marks from the judges for this routine.
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#427120 - 05/11/10 10:11 PM Re: pudzianowski-vs-sylvia?! [Re: MattJ]
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Matt hit it on the spot.

What I meant by lean is not lean as in getting rid of body fat.
He's just toooooo big to be very effective. His body just isn't balanced for fighting.

It's like putting a big truck into crash dirby. Sure, any car that it hit will most likely become scrap, but maneuverability is just lacking because of its size.

A good example for a good 'fighting' physique would be Alexander Karelin. Wrestlers have a more lean sinewy physique (they're still big mind you), but they don't have excess muscle mass that hampers movement.

In my opinion, he needs to become 'smaller' while at the same time try to keep his strength. He needs to change his body mechanics from 'lifting heavy' to 'explosiveness'.


Like I said, Brock became A LOT smaller after he left pro-wrestling and entered MMA, but he's still relatively big, but his body wouldn't be able to perform as well in MMA had he been in WWE shape. Did he lose much strength? I don't know, but I don't see any change except he became more agile than compared to when he was in pro-wrestling.

I think if Pudz was able to get his cardio up, use his strength in the right way, he would become scarier than Brock. Until then, all I see is a big tank with no guns, and little maneuverability. Someone like Sylvia could easily run up and put a C4 on it and blow it to pieces.

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#427121 - 05/11/10 10:27 PM Re: pudzianowski-vs-sylvia?! [Re: trevek]
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Originally Posted By: trevek
This video shows why everyone should be afraid of Pudzian!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ps-p2ghwly4


A buff guy.. wearing leather like a member of Village People.

If I have to fight him.. tell him to wear an extra thick gi, and no groundfighting.

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#427131 - 05/12/10 05:30 AM Re: pudzianowski-vs-sylvia?! [Re: Taison]
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Originally Posted By: Taison
What I meant by lean is not lean as in getting rid of body fat.
He's just toooooo big to be very effective. His body just isn't balanced for fighting.

It's like putting a big truck into crash dirby. Sure, any car that it hit will most likely become scrap, but maneuverability is just lacking because of its size.


I would like to see him learn good fighting technique before making that judgement. Plenty of skinny guys who are just not experienced in sparring look just as rigid and cumbersome. The guy can do the splits, and run 100m in under 12 seconds. Mobility has never been an issue in his career.

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A good example for a good 'fighting' physique would be Alexander Karelin. Wrestlers have a more lean sinewy physique (they're still big mind you), but they don't have excess muscle mass that hampers movement.


Oh now Tai, I would not expect you to come out with the old 'muscle bound' chestnut. Muscle mass does not hamper range of motion in a joint. The origin and insertion points of the muscles do not change, and the belly of the muscle in which the sarcoplasmic volume lives is never anywhere near the joint, where only tendons are situated. If a bodybuilder does not stretch, then sure, they will be stiff and tight, but the same goes for computer programmers and Karateka doesnt it?

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In my opinion, he needs to become 'smaller' while at the same time try to keep his strength. He needs to change his body mechanics from 'lifting heavy' to 'explosiveness'.


1. no way can he do that, as all his muscle tissue in involved in his functional strength, and 2. there is nobody with more explosive power in the world. Did you know that in the WSM aeroplane pull, the workload he performed was essentially 50 alternate single leg deadlifts with 650lbs in under 30 seconds?

He has all the physical tools he needs already to be a phenomenal fighter. What you see in the clips are MA noob mistakes common to all body types.
He is gassing because he is tense all the time and trying to 'muscle' his strikes with his arms. Getting smaller wont fix that, learning to punch will.
His movement is stiff because of that tension and truly awful stance and footwork. Getting smaller wont fix that, learning to box will.

Its his technique that is holding him back, not his physique, which has already proven to be a functional and dynamic structure.


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Brock became A LOT smaller after he left pro-wrestling and entered MMA, but he's still relatively big, but his body wouldn't be able to perform as well in MMA had he been in WWE shape.


His body changed because he was coming from an entertainment industry where steroid testing is not carried out, to an athletic industry where drug testing is mandatory. Nothing more or less.

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Did he lose much strength? I don't know, but I don't see any change except he became more agile than compared to when he was in pro-wrestling.


You can't make a judgement based on this. He was as agile and explosive in WWE as was dictated by how the story of the fight allowed. Now its a real athletic performance. Its like saying he is less fit now because he looked tired in round 2 when his WWE PPV fights used to last for 30 minutes wink

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I think if Pudz was able to get his cardio up, use his strength in the right way, he would become scarier than Brock.


Absolutely. But that will not be dependant on his size, that will be dependant on his skill specific training.



Edited by Cord (05/12/10 05:37 AM)
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#427150 - 05/12/10 10:02 PM Re: pudzianowski-vs-sylvia?! [Re: Cord]
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Master Cord,

I bow to your explanations.

Once again, you've proven me wrong.

I still like Pudz better than Brock though. If a guy can go on a live TV show wearing village people type of leather, you're really hardcore.

-Donnie out
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#427155 - 05/13/10 04:54 AM Re: pudzianowski-vs-sylvia?! [Re: Taison]
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Tai,
If Marius does truly commit his full attention and dedication to becoming a fighter, then you will see changes in his physique, as he will have neither the time, nor energy, to maintain his lifting at its current volume/intensity.

At the moment, he has not retired from Strength Athletics, so he will still be training for these events as well. This is why his fighting sux wink

When/if his priorities change, so will his physique, but I am not convinced he is ready to let go of World Strongest Man comps. yet.
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#427317 - 05/22/10 10:32 AM Pudzianowski-vs-Sylvia vid *SPOILER* [Re: MattJ]
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http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/5/22/1482881/tim-sylvia-vs-mariusz-pudzianowski

Pudz looked pretty good in the first minute or so, with some vicious leg kicks. He then managed to get a takedown on Tim, which is no small feat considering that Tim is much bigger, AND has truly good takedown defense.

Pudz appeared to gas not long after that, and from that point on, it was pretty much all Tim.
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#427319 - 05/22/10 12:12 PM Re: Pudzianowski-vs-Sylvia vid *SPOILER* [Re: MattJ]
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As you said Matt, all looked fair and square in the first couple of minutes, and if Maz had gone for strikes instead of taking Tim's back and looking confused as to what to do with it, he may have scored an early upset, but it wasn't to be.

He gassed terribly, and I really think he has to accept that he cannot serve many masters, and either come back to MMA when he is ready to dedicate to it 100%, or drop the strongman stuff and be satisfied with 5 titles in that persuit, and really train to fight.

His understanding of grappling technique is awful, and the ease with which Tim was able to greco him off balance and then switch positions on the ground at will shows how basic Maz's training has been so far, though to his credit, he did manage an arm-bar attempt.

Tim was very wise to come in 'out of shape' to make himself as heavy as he dare. Combined with better balance and technique, it really negated Maz's chances of sustained manhandling of him.

Maz did show a good chin, taking some solid knees to the face, and i dont think he disgraced himself, but I dont see the untapped potential in him that I do in Kimbo, for example, who may be raw and limited, but 'gets it'. Maz does not look comfortable in the cage, but then, few would with the limited amount of experience he has.

Jury is still out as far as I am concerned.
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#427323 - 05/22/10 04:28 PM Re: Pudzianowski-vs-Sylvia vid *SPOILER* [Re: Cord]
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Yeah, me too. Pudz's strikes have power, but his lack of footwork and head movement are going to be his achille's heel against even mid-level strikers. To say nothing of his ground game. :p

I do think he could be a force if he got with a high-level MMA camp. He has made some good improvement. I was quite impressed that he was able to take Sylvia down, which is something that some much more seasoned MMA vets can't claim.
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#427326 - 05/23/10 07:08 AM Re: Pudzianowski-vs-Sylvia vid *SPOILER* [Re: MattJ]
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The dude has problems when it comes to talking.
He keeps saying stuff that he should regret mate.

"He promised the people of Poland that he's going to win tonight"
"My right punch, even I am afraid of it".

He should spend less time dreaming and attend to reality. His striking isn't the best, his strength is untapped, and he can't beat a pro-mma guy at this stage.

The guy gazzed after 1 minute of fighting. The last round he actually fell to the floor on his own.... He needs stamina, until then, let the real fighters fight.

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