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#426870 - 05/02/10 04:45 PM Re: Back pain [Re: Cord]
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The reading round the subject was comment was also facetious... silly!

All I suggested was that lonefox should also see a structural specialist and it was you that belittled the knowledge in this field and made the diagnosis of ruptured disc and a few posts later there is a young impressionable man ready to take the advice of a doctor and go under the knife. Mine was balanced you started the 'largely unregulated', 'the back specialists have more experience', etc, etc dismissive comments. I thought my advice was and still is sound and professional based on experience. I think making any diagnosis is irresponsible... from a friend or otherwise. Being from a friend I felt more comfortable pointing it out.

I've offered my opinion... and have asked your advice in the past (it was around 5 years ago BTW) and I remember my advice being asked and offered also. I also disagreed with you strongly in the past and will continue to so into the future because you are a weights obsessed tattooed oaf who perhaps should follow his own advice at times. BTW foam rollers are good but you can also do D.I.Y chiropractics with two rolled up magazines.... Lone should take the porn mags from under his bed and use them to sort his back out.


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#426871 - 05/02/10 05:11 PM Re: Back pain [Re: Gavin]
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I think this may all be a little miscomunication you scrawny mockney.

I was not offering a concrete diagnosis, merely an educated possibility based on rotational spinal granulation, and 'classic' acute back pain that was indicated to have been constant for 5 months, regardless of activity level.
I should have pointed out that it could be any number of other things, but I do not always live up to my own high standards on account of being (just about) human.

I do not hold complimentary therapy in low regard- how the hell could I? I was a freakin' complimetary therapist myself!!??

My issue is purely based on order of action in the treatment plan.

You are confident that by following a fascial and postural care plan as an initial action, 95% of spine problems will 'sort themselves out' as symptoms.

You are probably right.

However, an accurate medical assessment (x-ray, MRI), will give a clear and confirmed diagnosis of the 'symptom' , and from there, the patient can discuss options with any and all therapists and medical staff.

Surely even an egotistical myofascial fanboy such as yourself would agree that of the thousands of unregulated therapists in the world, there are far more who can be relied upon to treat effectively based on sound medical evidence than can be relied upon to diagnose with medical precision.

Treatment cannot be used as an efficient diagnostic tool, thats bass-ackwards.

By all means avoid surgery as a first resort. Take your scans to a bodyworker, a pilates class, a physio, a faith healer and 'Candy' the sensual therapist on Acacia Avenue if you think it will help.
But all of them will be more efficient, more productive and more successfull if they can hit the ground running with a known quantity.

Thats what i was trying to say. You Berk.

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#426872 - 05/02/10 05:47 PM Re: Back pain [Re: Cord]
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Well dickhead we sort of sound like we are in agreement then don't we!

I would just add that surgery does not fix it relieves. And quite often the body never gets to the point where it can attempt to heal itself... we'll leave my rant against there is no such thing as a healer, medically qualified, complimentary qualified or blessed by an dead spiritual chinese medicine man whilst stoned... there is only putting the body in a state so that it can identify the actual problem and heal rather than just firefighting and compensating.

The reason for the chiro to get the scans though is there is a good chance that lonefox is based in the states and may find it extremely expensive to get insurance to cover an existing complaint and it may be cheaper getting them through a chiro.

Case closed.

Mockney over and out!


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#426873 - 05/02/10 05:55 PM Re: Back pain [Re: Gavin]
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and there are things the body simply cannot heal, and removal becomes the only option.

X-rays are not as good as an MRI, but you dance with who brung ya innit?

Laters. you little hippy twat-bag
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#426875 - 05/02/10 06:44 PM Re: Back pain [Re: Cord]
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Absolutely agreed.

Hippy little twat bag out!
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#426876 - 05/02/10 07:10 PM Re: Back pain [Re: Gavin]
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#426882 - 05/03/10 02:47 AM Re: Back pain [Re: Cord]
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This is like reading a therapy discussion between Gollum and Gollum ("It's my diagnosis, my pweshus!").

I don't think it's back therapy you guys need...

Incidentally, my pins and needles in my face cleared up yeasterday whilst playing my bodhran... is Irish music good for trapped nerves?
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#426934 - 05/04/10 09:54 AM Re: Back pain [Re: trevek]
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"lone should take the porn mags from under his bed and use them to sort his back out."

Well I found that statement very unnecessary and disrespectful. Although I don't you personally you seem very arrogant and rude Gavin. You turned this discussion over my back into a very stupid argument. I honestly think Cord has the right idea. For an adult your behavior is rather ridiculous.

But still I came back from the doc yesterday he said its looks like a muscle strain so theres really no MRI or X-rays required. He tested it with some wooden tool. He says I need to use warm water on it twice per day along with a pain relieving gel. Sleeping on my back seems to relieve the pain slightly though not completely. He gave me some pain pills and recommend that when pain is gone enough I go swimming.

Thanks alot Cord and Trevek.

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#426947 - 05/04/10 02:16 PM Re: Back pain [Re: LoneFox]
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Lonefox, Gav's comment to you re. the mags was meant as a joke, nothing more.

When it comes to his opinions regarding rehab he is no more, or less, precious than I, hence our knocking heads, but he is a good guy, and a friend, so no need to jump to my defense, though I thank you for the sentiment smile

Ironicaly, once your back is recovered, following Gav's advice on seeking a postural worker may well help highlight any imbalances/issues that can prevent the problem returning.

Good luck, and rest well smile
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#426951 - 05/04/10 03:26 PM Re: Back pain [Re: Cord]
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Originally Posted By: Cord
Lonefox, Gav's comment to you re. the mags was meant as a joke, nothing more.


Agreed. Gav and I have butted heads before, and while both of us have a strong sarcastic bend, I doubt that he meant that comment with any malice.
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