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#425133 - 02/17/10 09:48 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: drgndrew]
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I'm thinking of combing the styles, like a MMA. As my name and my posts imply, I do know TKD, so any sword martial art I do will make me, by definition, a mixed martial artist.

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#425269 - 02/19/10 07:37 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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Hi, I did mugai ryu iaido for six years and during that time I observed Muso jikiden eishing ryu, the iaido from sosoushitsu ryu jujutsu and sekiguchi ryu iaido. Yes, iaido is first and foremost drawing the sword, making a few cuts to imaginary opponents and then putting the blade away. there is very little to no real world application to what you are doing. Yes, you are swinging a 3 foot piece of razor sharp metal around. If you hit a human being with it they will get seriously injured or die. However, if they are determined not to be cut, iaido is not going to do a whole lot to help you cut them.
If you are interested in learning to use a sword for combat, not that you ever will or desire to, then you have to look elsewhere. If you are set on Japanese arts try Kenjutsu, or even kendo. If you are not set on Japanese arts, but instead want to learn a sword art in general, I have to say go to the Filipino martial arts. You need to actually find a sword based FMA, as differentiated from a stick based art, because, in my opinion, they understand actually applying swords in combat. Of course, it depends on teachers and such, but you will get closer to actual fighting with the sword based Filipino arts.
I currently am practicing Dekiti Tirsia Sirada Kali, a sword art from the filipines. It is great. THis art understands swordsmanship. If you look it up on youtube you will see some videos, but they aren't really good at showing the real art. You need to attend an actual class to see the art in its fullness. Another art is Kali illustrisimo. It is another sword art from the filipines. I have only seen and heard good things about this art as well. The Filipine sword based arts are not as well known as the filipine stick based arts or the Japanese sword arts and it is about time that that changes. Look these arts up if you are interested in swordsmanship.
Thanks


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#425273 - 02/19/10 09:23 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: bcihak]
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I've been wanting to do kendo for many years, but, having learned of kenjutsu, maybe I'll try that too.

My interest would be the Japanese sword arts. That said, I remain primarily a taekwondoka.

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#425275 - 02/19/10 10:46 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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have you thought of looking into the Korean sword art, Haedong Kumdo (aka HaiDong Gumdo). it is very similar to the Japanese arts , but you may find they "fit" with your TKD a little more snuggly.

I have very, very little knowledge of Kumdo/gumdo, others may be able to help
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#425276 - 02/19/10 11:22 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: drgndrew]
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I was thinking about that, but I know very little about it.

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#425295 - 02/20/10 08:59 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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Originally Posted By: TaekwonDoFan
That seems right. I'm thinking of doing just enough iaido to learn how to draw my sword with flair, and then kendo/kenjutsu for the rest.


Hopefully somewhere in your training someone will explain to you the difference between a "cut" in Iaido and a strike in Kendo.

A cut with a blade is an eliptical move. You are actually slicing on the withdrawing part of the "cut".

A strike with a Shinai is a blow, like with a rattan bundle.

Think of your target as a ripe tomato. Do you want to slice it or squash it?

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#425299 - 02/20/10 09:51 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: iaibear]
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I want to slice the tomato - IOW, I want to pretend I'm a samurai, with lots of Hollywood-type opponents, and slice them up with interesting moves.

I do combination kicks, as do most TKD practitioners, and the fun is in the movements.

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#425610 - 03/02/10 10:57 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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I want to slice the tomato - IOW, I want to pretend I'm a samurai, with lots of Hollywood-type opponents, and slice them up with interesting moves.

I do combination kicks, as do most TKD practitioners, and the fun is in the movements.


I think you are looking at koryu the wrong way. None of the styles discussed is really about flashy moves. It is about effectively and efficiently dispatching an opponent. Additionally (and more importantly IMO )koryu heavily implement philosophical teachings. The goal is self-improvement of both mind and body, not to impress others.

If you are interested in flashy moves I suggest you try XMA (extreme martial arts) but I wouldn't recommend playing with a sword.
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#425614 - 03/02/10 11:58 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: fatguy]
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I'm not into XMA - too tough for me.

Quite honestly, I do this for the fun and exercise. The better TKD schools I've been to have been schools where there were social interactions, ie, a social club of sorts.

As for martial arts being the means for self-improvement, I would beg to differ. They are combat sports, and they attract people who have something to prove - this makes them very good martial artists, and I know many TKD high-ranking masters who were like that in their younger days. For better or worse, I'm not in that league, so I just practice by myself, and perhaps a few friends who just want some fun.

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#425616 - 03/02/10 12:48 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Keep in mind though that if it were only for sport, showing off your best skills, then once you start to get old and lose your edge then you are no longer useful and the younger, more agile ones are the, "masters".
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