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#424998 - 02/15/10 12:59 AM Is Iaido just sword drawing?
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I was just watching a YouTube video of an Iaido kata, and, if I may respectfully say so, it was pretty boring. All the guy did was to draw the sword and put it back.

I think kendo and kenjutsu are more interesting. And fun. But that's just me.

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#425074 - 02/16/10 09:38 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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If I may, Iaido can depend on style, school and teacher.

I have been to seminars where the participants just follow the "moves" with no real indication of what they are portraying. That, to me, is like watching paint dry.

Being biased, I prefer the Muso Shinden Ryu style I was taught and still practice. We know and follow the bunkai. We react to what our imaginary opponent is doing and follow him with our total attention. If we perform our kata correctly (opinion) not only do we "see" our imaginary opponent, the audience can as well.

It is not just drawing the sword, it is also cutting down our attacker as efficiently as possible.

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#425076 - 02/16/10 10:34 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: iaibear]
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Interesting. I don't do TKD patterns because I consider them a waste of time, but the sparring techniques, if done properly, can be good training and quite fun.

My question with Iaido is that a sword fight can require more than two or three quick strokes, and then what does the practitioner do?

I'm leaning towards kendo/kenjutsu, out of personal preference.

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#425087 - 02/16/10 03:56 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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Originally Posted By: TaekwonDoFan

My question with Iaido is that a sword fight can require more than two or three quick strokes, and then what does the practitioner do?

I'm leaning towards kendo/kenjutsu, out of personal preference.


You follow the kata. In my Ryuha alone I have practiced over sixty (60) different kata each with its own bunkai.

BTW, kendo's weapon is a shinai, a bundle of rattan strips that bears more resemblance to an ax handle in function than a sword. My opinion.

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#425097 - 02/16/10 06:46 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: iaibear]
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Do your patterns involve more than just drawing your sword?

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#425101 - 02/16/10 09:34 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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Iaido is the art of "drawing and cutting" with a katana.

I was once told that once the draw and immediate cuts where complete, then everything after that was Kendo (or kenjutsu) until the blade was cleaned (shaken or licked off) returned to the saya (scabbard). So if the sword is in its saya you would use Iaido if it is already out you would use kendo (more accurately ken jutsu).

The strong reliance on kata and lack of "sparring" in Iaido is due to the fact that every time the sward is drawn it is treated like a live blade, even if using a broken (wooden) sword. you simply do not use a live blade against someone unless you intend to cut them down, thus solo Kata.

Think of the two ways (iaido/iaijutsu and kendo/kenjutsu) along the lines of hand guns and their use in the old American wild west.

Iaido would be analogous with the quick draw, while kendo would be the good old shoot out (you know the ones in movies where six shooters never needed reloading)

It is also worth noting that kendo is a sport and the martial or combative applicable sister art is kenjutsu. you are more likely to find elements of Iai in kenjutsu then you would kendo, and vise versa.

kendo has kata to by the way and you are going to spend a lot of time doing two man kata in kendo compared to do in "matches" or sparring.
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#425102 - 02/16/10 10:16 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: drgndrew]
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That seems right. I'm thinking of doing just enough iaido to learn how to draw my sword with flair, and then kendo/kenjutsu for the rest.

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#425105 - 02/16/10 10:42 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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the thing is if you become proficient in Iaido/justsu then you won't need kendo/jutsu
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#425112 - 02/17/10 12:39 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: drgndrew]
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Originally Posted By: drgndrew
the thing is if you become proficient in Iaido/justsu then you won't need kendo/jutsu


Why not??? After the sword is drawn, the martial artist will still need to fight, and, from what I've been told here, Iaido doesn't do that.

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#425115 - 02/17/10 03:21 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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Originally Posted By: drgndrew
the thing is if you become proficient in Iaido/justsu then you won't need kendo/jutsu


Why not??? After the sword is drawn, the martial artist will still need to fight, and, from what I've been told here, Iaido doesn't do that.


Because Iaido is drawing and cutting, have you actually looked at the Iaido kata, and had it explained to you. they may vary between schools/styles but most that I have seen include multiple cuts to multiple opponents. if you draw and cut down your opponents with Iaido then what is left to use the kendo on.

I get the feeling you are equating Iaido with just taking the sword out of the saya (as asked in the topic), thats kind of thinking that the quick draw gunfighter of the legendary west only ever drew their gun out of the holster and never pulled the trigger.

Kendo requires the sword to be drawn and held in a chosen position, before the cut is made. Iaido starts from the sheathed sword and ends with the return of the sword to its Saya. There are of course many crossovers between them and I like the idea of combining both (though again my preference would steer more towards the jutsu then the do)


Ultimately it is up to you which one you prefer, but make sure you explore the variations more then just watching a youtube video.
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#425133 - 02/17/10 09:48 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: drgndrew]
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I'm thinking of combing the styles, like a MMA. As my name and my posts imply, I do know TKD, so any sword martial art I do will make me, by definition, a mixed martial artist.

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#425269 - 02/19/10 07:37 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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Hi, I did mugai ryu iaido for six years and during that time I observed Muso jikiden eishing ryu, the iaido from sosoushitsu ryu jujutsu and sekiguchi ryu iaido. Yes, iaido is first and foremost drawing the sword, making a few cuts to imaginary opponents and then putting the blade away. there is very little to no real world application to what you are doing. Yes, you are swinging a 3 foot piece of razor sharp metal around. If you hit a human being with it they will get seriously injured or die. However, if they are determined not to be cut, iaido is not going to do a whole lot to help you cut them.
If you are interested in learning to use a sword for combat, not that you ever will or desire to, then you have to look elsewhere. If you are set on Japanese arts try Kenjutsu, or even kendo. If you are not set on Japanese arts, but instead want to learn a sword art in general, I have to say go to the Filipino martial arts. You need to actually find a sword based FMA, as differentiated from a stick based art, because, in my opinion, they understand actually applying swords in combat. Of course, it depends on teachers and such, but you will get closer to actual fighting with the sword based Filipino arts.
I currently am practicing Dekiti Tirsia Sirada Kali, a sword art from the filipines. It is great. THis art understands swordsmanship. If you look it up on youtube you will see some videos, but they aren't really good at showing the real art. You need to attend an actual class to see the art in its fullness. Another art is Kali illustrisimo. It is another sword art from the filipines. I have only seen and heard good things about this art as well. The Filipine sword based arts are not as well known as the filipine stick based arts or the Japanese sword arts and it is about time that that changes. Look these arts up if you are interested in swordsmanship.
Thanks


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#425273 - 02/19/10 09:23 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: bcihak]
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I've been wanting to do kendo for many years, but, having learned of kenjutsu, maybe I'll try that too.

My interest would be the Japanese sword arts. That said, I remain primarily a taekwondoka.

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#425275 - 02/19/10 10:46 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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have you thought of looking into the Korean sword art, Haedong Kumdo (aka HaiDong Gumdo). it is very similar to the Japanese arts , but you may find they "fit" with your TKD a little more snuggly.

I have very, very little knowledge of Kumdo/gumdo, others may be able to help
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#425276 - 02/19/10 11:22 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: drgndrew]
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I was thinking about that, but I know very little about it.

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#425295 - 02/20/10 08:59 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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Originally Posted By: TaekwonDoFan
That seems right. I'm thinking of doing just enough iaido to learn how to draw my sword with flair, and then kendo/kenjutsu for the rest.


Hopefully somewhere in your training someone will explain to you the difference between a "cut" in Iaido and a strike in Kendo.

A cut with a blade is an eliptical move. You are actually slicing on the withdrawing part of the "cut".

A strike with a Shinai is a blow, like with a rattan bundle.

Think of your target as a ripe tomato. Do you want to slice it or squash it?

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#425299 - 02/20/10 09:51 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: iaibear]
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I want to slice the tomato - IOW, I want to pretend I'm a samurai, with lots of Hollywood-type opponents, and slice them up with interesting moves.

I do combination kicks, as do most TKD practitioners, and the fun is in the movements.

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#425610 - 03/02/10 10:57 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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I want to slice the tomato - IOW, I want to pretend I'm a samurai, with lots of Hollywood-type opponents, and slice them up with interesting moves.

I do combination kicks, as do most TKD practitioners, and the fun is in the movements.


I think you are looking at koryu the wrong way. None of the styles discussed is really about flashy moves. It is about effectively and efficiently dispatching an opponent. Additionally (and more importantly IMO )koryu heavily implement philosophical teachings. The goal is self-improvement of both mind and body, not to impress others.

If you are interested in flashy moves I suggest you try XMA (extreme martial arts) but I wouldn't recommend playing with a sword.
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#425614 - 03/02/10 11:58 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: fatguy]
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I'm not into XMA - too tough for me.

Quite honestly, I do this for the fun and exercise. The better TKD schools I've been to have been schools where there were social interactions, ie, a social club of sorts.

As for martial arts being the means for self-improvement, I would beg to differ. They are combat sports, and they attract people who have something to prove - this makes them very good martial artists, and I know many TKD high-ranking masters who were like that in their younger days. For better or worse, I'm not in that league, so I just practice by myself, and perhaps a few friends who just want some fun.

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#425616 - 03/02/10 12:48 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

Keep in mind though that if it were only for sport, showing off your best skills, then once you start to get old and lose your edge then you are no longer useful and the younger, more agile ones are the, "masters".
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#425634 - 03/03/10 12:31 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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If you are into sword play for fun and exercise, find a buddy who does not mind taking an occasional whack, find two bokken, two hockey helmets and two pairs of hockey gloves. Enjoy.

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#425665 - 03/04/10 01:43 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: iaibear]
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I wouldn't look down too much on "just sword drawing", as drawing and resheathing can result in serious injury when utilizing live steel. Also, the speed and accuracy of your draw can determine the speed and accuracy of your sword cut, which can in turn determine whether you figuratively live or die.

However, Japanese sword fighting involves three skill sets, and in modern times those have separated into in three different arts -- (1) iaido or battodo for the drawing, resheathing and basic kata, (2) tashimigiri for the cutting techniques, (3) kendo for the sparring. With the caveat that kendo has really spawned its own set of techniques for defeating an opponent that could not be carried out with a real katana.



Edited by Kathryn (03/04/10 01:53 PM)
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#425682 - 03/05/10 09:07 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: Kathryn]
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FWIW I agree

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#425761 - 03/09/10 02:22 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: iaibear]
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I was just watching a YouTube video of an Iaido kata, and, if I may respectfully say so, it was pretty boring.

That is very true. Watching kata IS very boring, as it was never intended as a spectator sport. smile

I am going to try and do my best to dispel several myths that seem to be floating around here. First, kata are not meant to be either entertaining, or actual combative movements. Kata are a training methodology, designed to incorporate particular movements into your subconscious so that the body will move in a particular manner without conscious thought. The Japanese sword arts have been taught using this methodology since their inception quite a few centuries ago, so I am not going to argue about whether it works or not. smile

Kendo was developed to allow swordsmen from different schools to fight without killing or seriously maiming each other. It is firmly rooted in the Japanese sword arts. The shinai that they use is a split bamboo sword, and you cannot simply "hit" the other guy and score a point. The judges are watching to see if your cut was actually capable of cutting, with the proper motion, speed, and control that this entails. I have practiced with long-time kendoka in the past, and it is actually a pretty short jump from a shinai to a sword.

Koryu kenjutsu is kata. There will generally be more two person kata than solo kata, but it is still all kata. That's the way it always has been, and that's the way it will continue to be. If you do not want to do kata, you do not want to do Japanese sword arts.

Despite what the Toyama ryu crowd advocates, tameshigiri (test cutting) is not really necessary to make a good swordsman. I personally think that tameshigiri is a valuable part of training, but I know a number of people that are excellent swordsmen that have never actually cut anything. I have also practiced with several people that had never done tameshigiri before, but that had no trouble with it at all when they tried it. It is simply another tool in the tool box.

I agree with iaibear in that it sounds like you aren't interested in actually learning a Japanese sword art. It takes decades of hard effort to really begin to understand what you're doing. I advise against bokken though as they are quite dangerous when swung correctly, and can easily result in death even with padding. I would advise you to get weapons made specifically for playing such as RSW molded foam swords. These look and weigh much like real swords, but are padded to prevent serious injury as long as you wear some safety gear.

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#425762 - 03/09/10 03:25 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: pgsmith]
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<< Kendo was developed to allow swordsmen from different schools to fight without killing or seriously maiming each other. It is firmly rooted in the Japanese sword arts. The shinai that they use is a split bamboo sword, and you cannot simply "hit" the other guy and score a point. The judges are watching to see if your cut was actually capable of cutting, with the proper motion, speed, and control that this entails. I have practiced with long-time kendoka in the past, and it is actually a pretty short jump from a shinai to a sword. >>

There is a world of discussion in that paragraph. Most of it I would not touch with a shinai.

It is nice to hear that judges are now actually watching to see if the cut would have been capable of cutting. It has not always been that way. Kendo masters finally realized that their students were merely hitting upon one another with no actual cutting in the move. I have been told that is why the Seitei Iai kata were invented and why the Zen Nippon Kendo Renmei Iaido was instituted, so that Kendoka could learn to cut properly.

One question I would like to ask: what are the targets in Kendo? I have heard they are the Men (head), Do (body front) and Kote (wrists), all well armored. Sounds sort of limited, to me.


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#425767 - 03/10/10 11:31 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: iaibear]
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I have been told that is why the Seitei Iai kata were invented and why the Zen Nippon Kendo Renmei Iaido was instituted, so that Kendoka could learn to cut properly.

Actually, they were created to introduce kendoka to iai. Because kendo is all done with the sword already drawn, the kendo governing body decided that kendoka needed iai to be more well-rounded swordsmen. Therefore, the seiteigata were created and introduced at the first kendo world championships.

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One question I would like to ask: what are the targets in Kendo? I have heard they are the Men (head), Do (body front) and Kote (wrists), all well armored. Sounds sort of limited, to me.

There is also tsuki to the throat. Yes, it is sort of limited. However, if you've ever been whacked with a shinai, you know that you definitely don't want to be hit anywhere that is not well armored! smile

Every sword training methodology has pluses and minuses. Solo kata do not teach distance and timing well. Paired kata do not teach recognition of openings well. Kendo limits your responses and target recognition. Itto ryu, which is the koryu from which kendo started, believed that it took all three methods to make a proper swordsman. Other schools thought differently, and practiced accordingly.
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#425769 - 03/10/10 01:32 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: pgsmith]
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That is very true. Watching kata IS very boring, as it was never intended as a spectator sport. smile.


I"ll agree that kata is not entertainment, per se, but I would have to ask why watching someone do kata is boring. Historically swordsmen in Japan (or for that matter throughout Europe) made it very much their business to carefully watch the technique of their fellow swordsmen. It was considered a vital part of becoming a technical expert. In modern times we don't have that element of uncertainty and danger involved, not knowing who you might have to face in the future. And so we watch others do kata instead.

Originally Posted By: pgsmith
I have practiced with long-time kendoka in the past, and it is actually a pretty short jump from a shinai to a sword.


Wow. It's a shorter jump from a bokken to a shinken than it is from a shinai to a shinken. I don't practice with a shinai for that very reason.


Originally Posted By: pgsmith
Despite what the Toyama ryu crowd advocates, tameshigiri (test cutting) is not really necessary to make a good swordsman. .


Wow, again. If you were a feudal lord, would you seriously want to hire a samurai who had never actually cut anything? Or, if you were a Japanese field officer, would you want to go to battle with Toyama academy trained personnel who had never cut anything? Don't forget, the Toyama techniques were actually used in China and Manchuria, and the world wars, and many of the modern kata are the result of research on the experiences of those battles.
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#425772 - 03/10/10 04:50 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: Kathryn]
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I don't practice with a shinai for that very reason.

Really? I would think that you didn't practice with a shinai because your sensei said "don't practice with a shinai!" smile
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Wow, again. If you were a feudal lord, would you seriously want to hire a samurai who had never actually cut anything?

If I was a feudal lord, I wouldn't be typing on the computer! smile
Seriously though, tameshigiri as we know it today is a modern phenomenon. In most of the koryu, actually cutting things was generally reserved for the enemy, not inanimate objects. The cutting that was developed for the Toyama Academy was done as a result of the large number of swords that needed repair because their wielders had no real sword training. It was meant to be a quick and dirty method to teach officers how to actually cut someone down while leaving their sword in a useable state. I have taught Zen Nihon Battodo Renmei cutting patterns to swordsmen that have practiced for quite a number of years without ever actually cutting anything. None of them had any problems actually cutting tatami.
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#425777 - 03/11/10 10:01 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: Kathryn]
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Wow. It's a shorter jump from a bokken to a shinken than it is from a shinai to a shinken. I don't practice with a shinai for that very reason.


For what it's worth, I am with you, Kathryn.

Several years ago I was at an Iaido seminar with a Muso Jikiden guest sensei. He was drilling us on the third Seitei Iai kata Uke Nagashi. He was having us use a shinai, a device shorter and less balanced than a bokken, and without a spine other than a string to do the blocks.

Although it was incredibly rude of me, I refused to touch the bleeping thing. I was at an Iaido seminar, after all, not Kendo.

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#425815 - 03/12/10 01:40 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: iaibear]
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Although it was incredibly rude of me, I refused to touch the bleeping thing. I was at an Iaido seminar, after all, not Kendo.

Gotta agree with you, that was really rude. smile Shinai are simply another tool. There are quite a number of different tools all aiming to make decent swordsmen. The "bokken" that the Jigen ryu uses bear a much closer resemblance to an old tree branch than to a sword. However, the Jigen ryu has produced feared and effective swordsmen for centuries. The Yagyu Shinkage ryu use fukuro shinai, which is a bamboo shinai in a leather bag. Just because one tool may be different than what you are used to using, it doesn't make it unuseable. Each tool has advantages in some area, or it wouldn't have been used as a training tool to begin with.
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#425819 - 03/12/10 11:27 PM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: pgsmith]
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Different strokes. :-)

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#425872 - 03/17/10 11:01 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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Originally Posted By: TaekwonDoFan
After the sword is drawn, the martial artist will still need to fight,


Not if you do it right.

Originally Posted By: TaekwonDoFan
and, from what I've been told here, Iaido doesn't do that.


Then someone told you wrong. While Iai styles emphasize turning the act of drawing into an attack, it is certainly not all there is to the curriculum. Insisting that that is not true, when you've been told otherwsie by people who know, only touts your own ignorance.

I seem to be getting grumpy in my old age.
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#425873 - 03/17/10 11:03 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: iaibear]
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Originally Posted By: iaibear
Although it was incredibly rude of me, I refused to touch the bleeping
thing. I was at an Iaido seminar, after all, not Kendo.


Agreed. Very rude. If one of my students did that, I'd have tossed them out on their keester until they could learn to show a little more respect for our visitor. But you're right. To each their own.

Out of curiosity, how did the visiting instructor react?
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#425911 - 03/18/10 10:47 AM Re: Is Iaido just sword drawing? [Re: Charles Mahan]
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Diplomatically speaking, Kendo is not my art of choice, no more than Bungy Jumping or Free Climbing. All require skill and a willingness to risk life and limb. I really want nothing to do with any of them.

With regard to handling that shinai, I had done everything I could to avoid "volunteering" and did manage to be the last in line. That way he could ignore my rudeness more easily.

Later in the same seminar the visiting sensei had a group of us working our way through the Omori Ryu. We were doing Gyakuto. After the main thrust you step back with your blade high and follow "him" down. When "he" is on the ground and you are on one knee, you turn the edge up and support the spine of the blade with the fingertips of your left hand. You thrust your right elbow back, as tho striking someone behind you. This gives a small upward motion to the tip.

Sensei's gopher ran off to tattle on some shameful thing I had done. Sensei came over and asked me to repeat the kata. Then he asked, "What did you just do?"

Without changing my gaze at the tip, I told sensei, "I just cut 'his' throat," to which he responded, "Yes. That is what it looked like."

Then sensei walked off with a friend laughing about my maverick teacher.

So who is being rude?

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