FightingArts Estore
Pressure Points
From a medical professional, straight facts on where and how to hit that can save your life.
Limber or not, anyone can add height and speed to their kicks with this method.
For yourself or as a gift, calligraphy is special, unique and lasting.
Karate Uniforms
Look your best. Max snap. low cost & superior crafted: “Peak Performance Gold” 16 oz uniforms.

Classic book translation. Hard to find. Not in stores.
Who's Online
0 registered (), 39 Guests and 3 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
FuYuan, chilin, simple, Max8811, Aanna
23127 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
FuYuan 2
cxt 1
Max8811 1
jakmak52 1
Su M Tu W Th F Sa
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31
New Topics
Grand Opening: Tai Chi Apeldoorn Douwe Geluk
by FuYuan
08/18/17 07:13 AM
Championship Kata/Forms Techniques
by jakmak52
12/22/16 03:55 PM
** Introduce Yourself! **
05/13/07 08:02 AM
Pregnancy and training
04/23/06 02:31 AM
Recent Posts
** Introduce Yourself! **
by FuYuan
08/18/17 07:02 AM
Pregnancy and training
by Max8811
08/14/17 11:23 AM
Championship Kata/Forms Techniques
by cxt
08/04/17 10:25 PM
Forum Stats
23127 Members
36 Forums
35679 Topics
432721 Posts

Max Online: 424 @ 09/24/13 10:38 PM
Topic Options
#423205 - 10/28/09 06:09 PM Chicken or the Egg: Internal Arts Debate
Prizewriter Offline
Professional Poster

Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 2577

A question that was asked on another forum relating Push Hands training in Chinese Internal Arts (Taiji, Xingyi etc...) related to the idea that a student must first learn said arts forms and build internal connections in the nervous system before attempting push hands. Depending on the student/teacher, this could take many months, or even years.

How do you feel about this? Should a student learn PH training early on, while they are trying to learn forms and build internal connections?? Would this harm their learning, or help it? For example, would doing PH help a student better understand their form work?
"Let your food be your medicine, and your medicine be your food" Hippocrates.

#423218 - 10/29/09 06:42 AM Re: Chicken or the Egg: Internal Arts Debate [Re: Prizewriter]
Bossman Offline

Registered: 08/25/03
Posts: 1785
Loc: Chatham Kent UK
Push hands for learning whatever stage you are at in the MA's is a great tool for application as long as the level of instruction is there.

We push hands right from the start to assist the learning of technique.
supporting standards in the martial arts

#423339 - 11/02/09 07:11 PM Re: Chicken or the Egg: Internal Arts Debate [Re: Bossman]
IExcalibui2 Offline

Registered: 05/20/06
Posts: 961
Loc: New York City
push hands should start early on as long as the instructor is there to guide them through the exercise. Taiji is first and foremost a martial art, and if the instructor understands that then there needs to be partnered work to develop your sensitivity and your sticky hands. So the PH would help a student better understand some of their form work.
"you're going to work till you wish you were dead and then keep going.." -Sgt Slaughter


Moderator:  Cord, Gavin, JasonM, MattJ, Reiki 

Action Ads
1.5 Million Plus Page Views
Only $89

Fight Videos
Night club fight footage and street fights captured with the world's first bouncer spy cam

How to Matrix!
Learn ten times faster with new training method. Learn entire arts for as little as $10 per disk.

Self Defense
Stun guns, pepper spray, Mace and self defense products. Alarms for personal and home use.

Stop An Urban Gorilla: Get 2 FREE TASER M26C Replacement Air Cartridges With Each New TASER M26C!


Unbreakable Unbrella

krav maga