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#423251 - 10/30/09 07:54 AM Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

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Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade

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Last updated at 8:42 AM on 27th October 2009

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Gun crime has increased five-fold in some parts of the UK

Gun crime has almost doubled since Labour came to power as a culture of extreme gang violence has taken hold.

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.

In eighteen police areas, gun crime at least doubled.

The statistic will fuel fears that the police are struggling to contain gang-related violence, in which the carrying of a firearm has become increasingly common place.

Last week, police in London revealed they had begun carrying out armed patrols on some streets.

The move means officers armed with sub-machine guns are engaged in routine policing for the first time.

Shadow Home Secretary, Chris Grayling, said last night: 'In areas dominated by gang culture, we're now seeing guns used to settle scores between rivals as well as turf wars between rival drug dealers.

'We need to redouble our efforts to deal with the challenge.'

He added: 'These figures are all the more alarming given that it is only a week since the Metropolitan Police said it was increasing regular armed patrols in some areas of the capital'.


The gun crime figures, which were obtained by the Tories from official Parliamentary answers, do not include air weapons.

But they provide the first regional breakdown of the increasing use of firearms.

Lancashire suffered the single largest rise in gun crime, with recorded offences increasing from 50 in 1998/99 to 349 in 2007/08, an increase of 598 per cent.


Armed: Officers engaged in routine policing are carrying sub-machine guns for the first time

Only four police forces - Cleveland-Humberside, Cambridgeshire and Sussex - recorded falls in gun crime.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .

The figures follow a warning by Mr Grayling that U.S.-style gang culture has reached some parts of the UK.

In August, he made a controversial speech warning that a collapse of 'civilised life' had allowed a brutal drug and gun crime culture - like that of the U.S. TV show The Wire - to flourish in Britain.

The hit TV series tracks the nightmare of gangs and organised crime in inner city West Baltimore and the futile efforts of police to deal with them.

The Met's decision to employ armed officers on the streets has attracted criticism.

But the force, which has already begun the scheme, insists that the unprecedented tactic is a proportionate and temporary response to prevent armed gangs from controlling estates.
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Trident poster campaign warning of dangers of young women and girls storing and transporting guns for others

Last month, police warned that teenage girls were now being dragged into the gun culture by hiding weapons for their boyfriends.

Police are targeting girls between 15 and 19 with an advertising blitz warning them that they can expect a five-year prison sentence if they are caught.

The number of women charged with firearms offences in London has increased six-fold in the past year - 12 have been charged since January.

Seven of them were teenagers, including a 16-year-old arrested after a 9mm Browning self-loading pistol was found in her bedroom.



Read more here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...l#ixzz0VAimpu9E
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#431885 - 04/03/11 02:41 PM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: BrianS]
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Not sure how this article lends support to the 2nd Amendment; in fact, it sort of does the opposite. Thanks to a regime of strict gun control, the UK is only now starting to see the bare beginnings of a vicious gun culture that has ravaged US cities for decades. Sounds like they need more gun control, not less.

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#431888 - 04/03/11 07:52 PM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: fileboy2002]
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If criminals can carry weapons (they are criminals, you know), how do honest law-abiding people defend themselves?

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#431905 - 04/04/11 01:01 AM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: iaibear]
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Gun laws are followed my law-biding citizens. Criminals never follow gun laws. (That's why they are called criminals) So why have more gun laws?

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#431914 - 04/04/11 10:15 AM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: 47MartialMan]
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Hi fileboy
This forum topic is about Gun crime in the UK.
They do not have a 2nd Amendment like they do in Chicago

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#431916 - 04/04/11 03:24 PM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: iaibear]
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The idea criminals have some special, privileged access to firearms is a myth.

Trace the history of any gun used by any criminal to commit any crime. Invariably, you'll find that someone, at some point, bought that gun legally. That's how it entered circulation in the first place--someone LEGALLY bought it. After that, it may have been stolen, sold, traded, whatever. But most guns only end up in the hands of criminals because law-abiding citizens bought them first.

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#431920 - 04/04/11 03:56 PM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: fileboy2002]
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Originally Posted By: fileboy2002
most guns only end up in the hands of criminals because law-abiding citizens bought them first.

And did not learn how to use/guard them.

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#431924 - 04/04/11 10:36 PM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: iaibear]
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Originally Posted By: iaibear
Originally Posted By: fileboy2002
most guns only end up in the hands of criminals because law-abiding citizens bought them first.

And did not learn how to use/guard them.


In some cases, sure. In others, guns are legally purchased, then used illegally.

It is not like there is some sharp line of demarcation between "criminals" and "law abiding citizens." That's another myth. In the real world, people usually cannot be categorized so neatly.

In the US, about half of all murders are related to domestic violence--i.e. they occur between family members, or people sharing the same household. Most of those murderers are not career criminals.

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#431950 - 04/05/11 11:45 PM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: fileboy2002]
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Originally Posted By: fileboy2002
Originally Posted By: iaibear
Originally Posted By: fileboy2002
most guns only end up in the hands of criminals because law-abiding citizens bought them first.

And did not learn how to use/guard them.


In some cases, sure. In others, guns are legally purchased, then used illegally.

It is not like there is some sharp line of demarcation between "criminals" and "law abiding citizens." That's another myth. In the real world, people usually cannot be categorized so neatly.

In the US, about half of all murders are related to domestic violence--i.e. they occur between family members, or people sharing the same household. Most of those murderers are not career criminals.


This is not statiscally accurate

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#431951 - 04/05/11 11:48 PM Re: Culture of violence: Gun crime in UK [Re: fileboy2002]
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Originally Posted By: fileboy2002
The idea criminals have some special, privileged access to firearms is a myth.

Trace the history of any gun used by any criminal to commit any crime. Invariably, you'll find that someone, at some point, bought that gun legally. That's how it entered circulation in the first place--someone LEGALLY bought it. After that, it may have been stolen, sold, traded, whatever. But most guns only end up in the hands of criminals because law-abiding citizens bought them first.



Law abiding citizens may have bought them, but like anything, it becomes the basis of illegal activity.

It isn't the gun or the law-biding citizen who should suffer laws

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