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#421595 - 08/15/09 01:46 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: Cord]
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Originally Posted By: Cord
What Mr Ettish discovered, in a very public way, was that things that work 'in theory' do not translate smoothly to reality.



Ok, I give up...what theory would that be?

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#421598 - 08/15/09 02:02 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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well, the scissor thing he tried from the floor, the guard he had in stand up, that led to him being on the floor are two good examples.

This really isnt open to debate, as his training and fight plan will be completely different in this, his second competetive fight. He knows he got it wrong last time out, and he has spent the last near 2 decades putting it right.

If he were not your friend, you would not be defending his 1st performance. Its not like I have even been unpleasant or disrespectful. He was a martial artist who entered a fight, and found that what he thought would work, didnt. Now he is a fighter entering a fight. Thats a huge difference, and it will show come tonight.
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#421603 - 08/15/09 04:19 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: Cord]
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Touche' and well said Mr. Cord. As an LE trainer as well as BJJ school owner and instructor, I remember the "Old School" Ground Defense and just how ineffective it was. It has largely been abandoned in LE/ Military Combatives for just that reason.... That is, if the guy knocks you down and sticks around (doesn't run away), the position and it's options fall apart under the pressure of of a credible attack.

I was taught this position in a LE DT Instructor Course as it was part of the Florida State Curriculum for recruit academies. The instructor was a firm believer in it's effectiveness until he challenged someone to get past his legs. Rule 235, don't challenge a group of people unless you are willing to take the chance that someone there knows how to do what you think is impossible. It was ugly.

I would love to see Ettish go out on a high note. He comes across as very respectful on forums and was unfairly flamed over the years in spite of him stepping up. We should remember however, that in his fight with Rhodes, he was overmatched...period, on top of having little athletic skill that crossed over effectively to the event itself. If he has taken steps to rectify that and has learned how to actually fight in the athletic sense that will be measured in MMA, then win or lose, he will redeem himself.

If not, expect another beatdown.


Edited by Fletch1 (08/15/09 04:26 PM)
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#421614 - 08/16/09 02:43 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: Cord]
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Fred Ettish wins at 3:20 (= or -) in the first round. Fight stopped by the referee because of punches. Fred came into the ring at 159 pounds, his opponent at 171. His opponent was probably the age of his son.
The crowd was supportive as he entered the ring. He paused at the door and then leapt into the ring through the door landing heavily on both feet as if to say..I'm back-to the crowds pleasure.
The fight started out with both fighters feeling the other out. His opponent was clearly nervous and was jumping up into the air a little each time he kicked. I don't know if that was the cause of it but the fight was stopped briefly after he recieved a low kick to the groin.
The fight continued to the ground and they locked up-couldn't see exactly what was happening do to the poor seats and a flag in the way.
The referee stood them up after awhile and they closed with punches. They clinched and Ettish took his opponent to the ground with a nice throw/takedown, quickly passing his guard to the mount. The ground and pound began and the fight was stopped by the referee.
I told Fred to score one for the old farts and he said something about his AARP card. I didn't stick around for the celebration as it was way after my bed time.


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#421615 - 08/16/09 02:53 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: Cord]
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Originally Posted By: Cord


If he were not your friend, you would not be defending his 1st performance. Its not like I have even been unpleasant or disrespectful. He was a martial artist who entered a fight, and found that what he thought would work, didnt. Now he is a fighter entering a fight. Thats a huge difference, and it will show come tonight.


Cord,
I just wanted a clarification on what you meant. Defending his performance...he held his hands low and got clobbered-no doubt about that.
I was trying to offer up an explanation to the "Fetal Fighting position" not defend the results. By the way I have used it at least twice in the real world and it worked fine. Now we know more so we have changed what we do.
NO doubt that Fred is a differant fighter now. It would be nice if people would now judge him by this performance and not the last one.
Thanks for your support and everyone else's.


Duane

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#421618 - 08/16/09 06:10 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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I am absolutely delighted that he not only won, but did so convincingly.

You never know, Dana is a shrewd marketing man, and with a strong win over a young guy, he might offer Mr Ettish an undercard chance to balance the books infront of a wider audience wink
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#421620 - 08/16/09 09:19 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: Cord]
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When asked about his future plans he said-let's see how this goes and we'll take it from there.His comment to me after the fight was-It wasn't pretty but I got it done.


Duane

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#421621 - 08/16/09 10:05 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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Congrats to Fred! Redemption much be so sweet for him now. Cheers!
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#421636 - 08/16/09 08:31 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: MattJ]
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Here's the video it's a little dark but you get the idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-Mv-NXKCZQ

Duane

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#421643 - 08/17/09 05:49 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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Looked pretty shaky in the 1st minute or so, but I can imagine that the pressure he put on himself to not lose quickly was enormous. He warmed to the task after surviving the guillotine attempt, and the strikes and throw from the clinch were lovely cool

His hair cut is better as well wink

Good work all round smile
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