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#421117 - 07/28/09 09:42 AM Fred Ettish to fight MMA again?
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Gotta give the guy credit - 53 years old, and wants to get back in there!

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/ettish-53-eyes-cage-return-aug-15-18759

"Fred Ettish will get the opportunity to restore balance to his competitive mixed martial arts career 15 years, five months and four days after he set foot inside the Octagon at UFC 2.

The 53-year-old Ettish (0-1) will face a still unnamed opponent at a Cage Fighting Xtreme show on Aug. 15 at Bada Bings in Brainerd, Minn. Ettish’s longtime friend and current UFC welterweight Brock Larson runs the Minnesota-based promotion and will provide him with the chance most believe to be long overdue.

“I don’t know for sure who my opponent is yet,” Ettish said. “A few names have been put out, but they have changed back and forth a bit. I have a feeling the changes will continue until fight day -- probably not a known name opponent at this point.”

Ettish has not competed professionally in MMA since his ill-fated appearance at UFC 2 on March 11, 1994 at Mammoth Gardens in Denver. President Clinton was enjoying his second year in office, “Schindler’s List” and “Mrs. Doubtfire” were playing in theaters and Kurt Cobain still fronted Nirvana. Ettish walked into the cage on short notice against Johnny Rhodes, and his life was never the same.

Shortly after their fight began, Rhodes clipped Ettish with a pair of thudding right hands that sent him tumbling to the canvas. Blood flowed from his face, and Rhodes proved relentless with his follow-up barrage, his heavy blows forcing the prone Ettish to cover up in defense. Ettish submitted to a rear-naked choke soon after and became the subject of public ridicule in the MMA community for years. Now, he has returned to right his wrongs.

“I’ve wanted to do this ever since the UFC 2 ‘experience.’ There was always something that prevented me every time I made any serious moves to fight again, and usually it was with an eye to a bigger promotion,” Ettish said. “I know that at my I age I’m blessed to have such good health and fitness, but I also know this will not last forever.”

Ettish resides in Kansas City, Mo., where he runs a martial arts gym affiliated with the Miletich Fighting Systems camp. He has roughly 20 students under his wing at the Damaibushi Martial Arts academy, but the lure to compete again has proven strong.

“I have a lot of ghosts and demons that have not been put to rest, and I’ve come to the conclusion that the only way to do this is to get back in there and actually do my best and represent in a way I can be proud of,” Ettish said. “I guess I don’t want to die at 0-1.”
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#421123 - 07/28/09 02:37 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: MattJ]
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Good for him. Lets hope he is more Machida than 'Mat-eater' this time round. (see what I did there?)
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#421124 - 07/28/09 03:11 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: MattJ]
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From Fred's site...

After successfully completing a week - long, grueling certification program, Fred became a Blue Belt and Certified Level 2 Instructor in MFS. He now is the Lead Instructor for the MFS Affiliate School, located at 1201 Woods Chapel Rd., Blue Springs, MO.

Fred is responsible for...

MFS and Kids Karate

Jiu Jitsu will be taught by Steve Crawford, Jobe Duran and Leo Pla. Hopefully Mr Crawford is giving him some input as well as MFS.
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#421148 - 07/29/09 03:00 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: oldman]
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Hopefully I will be able to attend. Just got off the phone with him to confirm the story.

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#421404 - 08/09/09 07:14 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: MattJ]
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Good to hear: always thought he got a very unfair reception after UFC 2 (my write-up here).
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#421504 - 08/12/09 04:42 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: slideyfoot]
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"The Fetal Fighting Postion" that Fred used was taught to us by our instructor who learned it in the Special Forces....were there elements that weren't used? -yes. The same position was taught to the police for years in groundfighting classes by guys like Arthur Cohen and Rick Faye.
Unfortuantley Fred was sacrificed on the internet altar by the all knowing "experts". Their real expertise in knowing how to set up websites, post video, etc. I don't think any of them have or ever will step into a ring. But that is one of the great things about the internet-you can be anything you want to be and say anything you want to say regardless of if it's real or not. The only requirements are a PC,internet connection and time.
I will be there Saturday night rooting for him because that's what friends do-win or lose. If his critics truly knew him they would hope that some day they could be half the martial artist and man that he is. But sitting at a computer criticizing takes so much less effort, time and energy and it is SO much safer.

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#421506 - 08/12/09 08:51 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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duanew, I respect your loyalty to a friend, and I have no doubt that the Fred Ettish that enters the cage this weekend will be hugely different to the one that entered, at very short notice, UFC 2.

With the best will in the world, however, I watched UFC 2 at the time it happened, and had no access to internet, nor any concept of what the 'WWW' was, and have to say that the 'feotal' position Mr Ettish took had zero to do with fighting, and everything to do with covering vital organs in the face of a beating. Nothing wrong with that, I advocate being able to do it most strongly, and it has saved me from hospital visits in the past.

I have never been to a seminar where Rick Faye introduced this as position from which to fight however, and I would suggest that Fred Ettish will not use it again in this visit to the octagon. Not because it is an innefective fighting strategy, but rather because he will be better prepared, and not feel he needs to resort to protecting his safety in such a drastic way.

I think he had cojones to get up out of the crowd and enter a bare knuckle fight without so much as a warm up, and I think he has cojones for getting back in there in his middle age, and i am sure that he has trained to ensure his fighting ability now matches his courage.
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#421522 - 08/13/09 02:31 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: Cord]
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I was referring to the ground fighting position with him on his side, one hand up protecting his head and using his legs to scissor or kick. If you trained with Rick 10-15 years ago in his ground fighting classes you would have learned that position. I don't know what he is teaching now days. I will be seeing him in Sept. for a ground fighting class so I will get updated.
The position of covering you're head with both hands and rolling away from the incoming blows obviously isn't what I was talking about. Although we have seen it demonstrated on numerous other occassions-Gracies last UFC fight,comes to mind.
Hope that clarifies.

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#421551 - 08/14/09 05:48 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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What Mr Ettish discovered, in a very public way, was that things that work 'in theory' do not translate smoothly to reality.

I am sure that this was a catalyst for him to re-evaluate his training, and change it for the better in terms of fight efficacy.

It is why I am confident we will see a very different Fred Ettish this time out.

I wish him nothing but well.
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#421556 - 08/14/09 10:22 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: Cord]
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http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/08/14/ufc-2s-fred-ettish-im-never-going-to-fail-greatly-again/

"Over 15 years removed from his first and only MMA fight, 53-year-old Fred Ettish returns to the cage this Saturday with redemption on his mind.

Ettish, of course, is probably most remembered for reasons he would rather forget. His loss at UFC 2 in March 1994 for many was a clear example of how karate on its own could prove ineffective in a more realistic fighting situation.

Further, a position he utilized in the fight where he curled to his side for protection, became an internet in-joke and spawned websites in dedication of what is jokingly referred to as "Fred Ettish's Fetal Fighting Technique."

In this exclusive interview with FanHouse, Ettish talks about his desire to properly showcase his martial arts training to the best of his ability the way he would have wanted in 1994 and to finally put the UFC 2 performance to rest.

Why did you decide to return?

There's a lot of unsettledness within me that's been there every since UFC 2, and I've tried stuffing it down. I've tried working through it, I've tried a number of things to deal with the unsettledness of how I feel from what happened at UFC 2 and I haven't been successful putting it away so I came to the conclusion there's only one way to put that stuff to rest and that is to go out and actually perform up to my capabilities which I did not do the first time at all.

Are you unsettled about the loss itself or the ridicule that followed?

Neither. Everybody loses at some point. I happened to lose in my first and so far only fight. Losing is something we all have to deal with throughout our lives in any number of different ways. The manner in which I lost, the manner in which I perform -- failed to perform -- is what bothers me the most. At this point in my life what other people are saying about me, what other people's opinions are: the jokes, the ridicule, that kind of thing, doesn't really make any difference to me anymore. Sure it irritates me a little bit but that is not what drives me. I'm not driven to prove anything to anybody. I'm not driven to try and shut anybody up. People are going to say what they are going to say, they are going to have their opinions.

Were you surprised at how a single three-minute UFC fight became such a big running joke?

I became painfully aware of all that. I said it didn't [censored] me off cause it did. I was very angry about it. I reacted to it, and the reactions never really brought anything to a closure. The websites stayed up, it moved around from one server to another. I tried to get people to come forward themselves and confront me personally. They didn't do that. That seemed to add fuel to the fire and after so long of chasing it around, it just came to the point where, you know what? It's pointless. I'm making myself miserable. I have more to do in my life than worry about what some adolescent people are doing, whether they are adolescent chronologically or just between the ears and above the eyebrows. I mean if you don't have anything better to do with your life than to try and tear somebody else down and make fun of somebody else to make yourself feel better, then I think you have the issues, and it's only my issue if I let it become my issue.

Why the return now? And not five years ago, ten years ago...

I tried a few times to come back and it was kind of strange. Every time I tried to something always got in the way, and I'm at the point in my life now, like I said earlier, I'm blessed with really, really good health. I've got no right to feel as good as I do at my age. I've got no right to do the things I can do physically at my age, and I believe things happen for a reason. I'm blessed with the health and fitness that I have and the motivation I have to train every day, and I should do something with it while its still available to me. And I'm a realist, I know at 53 years of age, I don't have a huge window of opportunity, and I can see in a couple of days if I have any window at all. We're gonna go and find out. I know I can perform in the gym. How I'm going to perform in the cage? That remains to be seen. But stay tuned, we'll find out.

Were there any obstacles at your age in receiving a license from the Minnesota Athletic Commission?

(Chuckles.) Well, they asked me if I can get a note from my doctor, and so I got my doctor to write them a note, and I offered to get my mother to write a note too. We just stuck with the doctor. My health is phenomenal. I'm blessed and it's my choice to do something with it, or not. And I choose to do something with it.

You're fighting for an event promoted by UFC welterweight Brock Larson.

He's got a show called Cage Fighting Xtreme (CFX) in a little town called Brainerd, Minnesota, and I've been there quite a few times before. Brock is one of my best friends and he knew that I wanted to fight, and he said "I can get you a fight on my show if you want." And I thought, why not? Go and do it for a friend of mine, someone who I know is decent human being. He's not going to screw me over, not going to set me up with a ringer. He's going to give me a reasonable fight. It's home. Minnesota is still home. I live in north Kansas City, Missouri. But I'm a Minnesota boy, I lived up here for longer than I lived anywhere else. I've got tons of attachments, friends, students, so it just seemed like the right thing to do and the right time to do it.

What do you know about your opponent Kyle Fletcher?

He's got an amateur record. He's got from what I understand some fights in some smaller pro shows that aren't recorded. I know he's younger than me. Other than that I don't know a whole lot about him. He's from what I understand a little shorter than I am. He's about 5'10ish, and he's right handed. Other than that I really don't know too much about him.

How different at 53 is your training regimen compared to someone like your opponent, who I'm guessing is in his 20s?

Yeah, I'm assuming he's in his 20s from the way it sounds. He's probably in the late 20s. My training regimen is pretty much the same as anybody else's cause I'm blessed with really good health, and I train everyday so it's not like I have to start training and worry about all the bumps and bruises and extra trauma from having not trained before. I'm in gym everyday, if I'm not in the gym, I'm out running, or doing any number of things on my own, so I'm in great shape and the things I do I take more care of than I did when I was younger is that I get more sleep. I make sure I get plenty of sleep. My nutrition I watch that real close, I eat real clean all the time. I don't eat junk. I try and make sure I stay hydrated. I try to tend to my injuries that I have. When I was young, I was like most younger people do, think they're indestructible and just push through things and don't go to doctors. Now I try and take better care of that.

Back then you were a traditional martial artist, how much of that is included in your training for this fight?

I still train traditional martial arts everyday. It's part of my training regimen and I've added a lot to that obviously. I've been working real hard with some real good wrestlers that are in my gym, a couple of phenomenal jiu-jitsu guys. I'm trying to be as well-rounded as I can. Conditioning is something that I do all the time. I worked with Pat Miletich quite a bit. I'm a Miletich Fighting Systems affiliate instructor and I take that very seriously. I needed to round up my game if I was going to be involved in the sport of MMA but that doesn't mean I left my traditional background behind. It goes with me wherever I go. I'm a traditional martial artist first and that's the way it will be until the day I die. I just happen to be a traditional martial artist who happens to also love the sport of mixed martial arts. I see a place for both things. I have my feet in both worlds and I hopefully am realistic in what I view as my strength and weaknesses of both worlds.

And if you can combine those worlds for a performance Saturday, there should be some peace for you away from all the years of "unsettledness" and bad press.

Yeah, well, there again. All that bad press. I could let it tear me down, destroy me and make me an angry bitter reclusive guy, or I can use it as fuel and use it as education. And for a while I was angry, bitter and reclusive. I didn't like being that way. So I decided many, many years ago to use it as fuel to make me a better human being. First of all, to make me a better martial artist, make me a better instructor, make me a better fighter and it helps keep me motivated. Sometimes I don't feel like going out and running the hills or doing that after a round of sparring or rolling that extra five-minute round, but I know I got that inside of me. I got that motivation to push [myself] extra because I remember what it felt like to fail greatly. That's fuel for me, I'm never going to fail greatly again. I'm always going to give my best, and that's what I intend to do Saturday night."

Best of luck to Fred.
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#421595 - 08/15/09 01:46 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: Cord]
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Originally Posted By: Cord
What Mr Ettish discovered, in a very public way, was that things that work 'in theory' do not translate smoothly to reality.



Ok, I give up...what theory would that be?

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#421598 - 08/15/09 02:02 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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well, the scissor thing he tried from the floor, the guard he had in stand up, that led to him being on the floor are two good examples.

This really isnt open to debate, as his training and fight plan will be completely different in this, his second competetive fight. He knows he got it wrong last time out, and he has spent the last near 2 decades putting it right.

If he were not your friend, you would not be defending his 1st performance. Its not like I have even been unpleasant or disrespectful. He was a martial artist who entered a fight, and found that what he thought would work, didnt. Now he is a fighter entering a fight. Thats a huge difference, and it will show come tonight.
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#421603 - 08/15/09 04:19 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: Cord]
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Touche' and well said Mr. Cord. As an LE trainer as well as BJJ school owner and instructor, I remember the "Old School" Ground Defense and just how ineffective it was. It has largely been abandoned in LE/ Military Combatives for just that reason.... That is, if the guy knocks you down and sticks around (doesn't run away), the position and it's options fall apart under the pressure of of a credible attack.

I was taught this position in a LE DT Instructor Course as it was part of the Florida State Curriculum for recruit academies. The instructor was a firm believer in it's effectiveness until he challenged someone to get past his legs. Rule 235, don't challenge a group of people unless you are willing to take the chance that someone there knows how to do what you think is impossible. It was ugly.

I would love to see Ettish go out on a high note. He comes across as very respectful on forums and was unfairly flamed over the years in spite of him stepping up. We should remember however, that in his fight with Rhodes, he was overmatched...period, on top of having little athletic skill that crossed over effectively to the event itself. If he has taken steps to rectify that and has learned how to actually fight in the athletic sense that will be measured in MMA, then win or lose, he will redeem himself.

If not, expect another beatdown.


Edited by Fletch1 (08/15/09 04:26 PM)
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#421614 - 08/16/09 02:43 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: Cord]
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Fred Ettish wins at 3:20 (= or -) in the first round. Fight stopped by the referee because of punches. Fred came into the ring at 159 pounds, his opponent at 171. His opponent was probably the age of his son.
The crowd was supportive as he entered the ring. He paused at the door and then leapt into the ring through the door landing heavily on both feet as if to say..I'm back-to the crowds pleasure.
The fight started out with both fighters feeling the other out. His opponent was clearly nervous and was jumping up into the air a little each time he kicked. I don't know if that was the cause of it but the fight was stopped briefly after he recieved a low kick to the groin.
The fight continued to the ground and they locked up-couldn't see exactly what was happening do to the poor seats and a flag in the way.
The referee stood them up after awhile and they closed with punches. They clinched and Ettish took his opponent to the ground with a nice throw/takedown, quickly passing his guard to the mount. The ground and pound began and the fight was stopped by the referee.
I told Fred to score one for the old farts and he said something about his AARP card. I didn't stick around for the celebration as it was way after my bed time.


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#421615 - 08/16/09 02:53 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: Cord]
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Originally Posted By: Cord


If he were not your friend, you would not be defending his 1st performance. Its not like I have even been unpleasant or disrespectful. He was a martial artist who entered a fight, and found that what he thought would work, didnt. Now he is a fighter entering a fight. Thats a huge difference, and it will show come tonight.


Cord,
I just wanted a clarification on what you meant. Defending his performance...he held his hands low and got clobbered-no doubt about that.
I was trying to offer up an explanation to the "Fetal Fighting position" not defend the results. By the way I have used it at least twice in the real world and it worked fine. Now we know more so we have changed what we do.
NO doubt that Fred is a differant fighter now. It would be nice if people would now judge him by this performance and not the last one.
Thanks for your support and everyone else's.


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#421618 - 08/16/09 06:10 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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I am absolutely delighted that he not only won, but did so convincingly.

You never know, Dana is a shrewd marketing man, and with a strong win over a young guy, he might offer Mr Ettish an undercard chance to balance the books infront of a wider audience wink
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#421620 - 08/16/09 09:19 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: Cord]
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When asked about his future plans he said-let's see how this goes and we'll take it from there.His comment to me after the fight was-It wasn't pretty but I got it done.


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#421621 - 08/16/09 10:05 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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Congrats to Fred! Redemption much be so sweet for him now. Cheers!
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#421636 - 08/16/09 08:31 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: MattJ]
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Here's the video it's a little dark but you get the idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-Mv-NXKCZQ

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#421643 - 08/17/09 05:49 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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Looked pretty shaky in the 1st minute or so, but I can imagine that the pressure he put on himself to not lose quickly was enormous. He warmed to the task after surviving the guillotine attempt, and the strikes and throw from the clinch were lovely cool

His hair cut is better as well wink

Good work all round smile
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#421649 - 08/17/09 09:17 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: Cord]
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In his own words from UG:
Wow. Just got home and had time to log in. Can't thank you all enough for the support, kind words, and congrats.

I am glad to have done the fight, and want to thank a whole bunch of people for helping to make it possible. I don't want to fill up too much space on here boring people, but thanks to everyone who had anything to do w/helping me out. Hopefully I have thanked you all in person by now.

The fight was interesting. Didn't go exactly like I wanted it to, but then again, I think they seldom ever do. I felt very uncomfortable on my feet, and that is where I almost always feel best in the gym. Mr. Fletcher had an unusual style and I never got into a rythym. I apologized for the groin kick, and do so again. He kind of hopped up as I threw a kick I intended for his lower abdomin and I caught him square in the cup. Sucks and I feel like [censored] about that.

On the ground I felt great. Never was in danger. It was kind of funny. I don't know what he knocked me down w/or if I slipped as I was getting hit or what. I remember all of a sudden being on the ground and thinking "[censored], how the hell did that happen? Guess I better get in gear and do something about this". His guillotine was locked in but my position on top prevented it fr being any danger. I tried to keep him pinned to the fence, keep pressure down on him, and get him to burn his arms out trying to work the guillotine. Got the standup and hit him w/some leg kicks. Ended up in an awkward clinch and managed to sweep him and get top position and got him to tap fr the strikes.

Mr. Fletcher is a good guy and I thank him for taking the fight. I wish him well for the future.

Although I was thrilled to get the W, I wanted to look a bit better doing it. I guess fighting once every 15 1/2 yrs isn't the way to look sharp. If I do it again, I will try to execute better. I did feel outstanding physically. I wasn't even close to being tired or gassed, and felt strong for the weight. I weighed in @ 159 w/o any real difficulty, so if I do another one that isn't catch weight, I would do 155.

It was an honor and privelege to fight for Brock and Rory. Appreciate them a lot. Also, thanks to the MN Combative Sports Comm. for licensing me. I know they took some heat for it.

Sorry for the long post, and thanks again.

Respectfully:

Fred

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#421781 - 08/21/09 02:39 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/1/Fred-Ettish-Where-Is-He-Now-16706

A more in depth story of Fred. I've known him for 30 years and didn't know some of this.

Duane

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#422220 - 09/09/09 03:47 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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A better lit video of the fight for those who are interested. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVL8jdKDXAQ&feature=related

Duane

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#433830 - 09/18/11 04:42 PM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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http://dai.ly/nMqJrL
A link to Bas Rutten and Big John McCarthy talking about Fred.Takes about a minute or two till they get to it. McCarthy mentions him in his book-
Duane

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#434486 - 01/14/12 07:09 AM Re: Fred Ettish to fight MMA again? [Re: duanew]
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http://vimeo.com/35033498
Video on Fred from History of the MMA
"It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."Teddy Roosevelt


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