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#426173 - 03/30/10 10:49 AM Re: Alex Gilles interviews GM CK Choi [Re: Fruitloopy]
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Originally Posted By: Fruitloopy
Originally Posted By: flynch
Nothing I can do about GM CK Choi's references to ITF and NK but understanding his experiences with TKD may help see his perspective which still largely revolves around the experiences of the mid 80's. His reference is not new and not unique. There of course will always be differences of opinion. You are entitled to your view point as well. I can see both sides of it.

I can understand and appreciate his point of view. I've met many GM and Masters who think the same.
I agree as well & I also can understand. However I am not communist, nor do I support the terrible regime in NK. While I do know that my version or style of TKD is popular in NK, having no other TKD, it is also in some 100+ countries around the world. It was taken there only in 1980, long after TKD was 1st developed & after I started TKD. I also do not like or agree with the political use of the label NK TKD. To me that has political overtones & for me TKD should not be used politically.

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#426176 - 03/30/10 11:32 AM Re: Alex Gilles interviews GM CK Choi [Re: ITFunity]
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My problem with these debates is that the Cold War is long over, and North Korea (and Cuba) are lonely holdouts to a failed ideology. So I don't care about communist TKD versus capitalist TKD, because, as Bruce Lee says, a kick is a kick, a punch is a punch.

Furthermore, it's increasingly hard for me to care if one version of TKD is better than the other, or even if TKD lives or dies, because, for the masters and grandmasters, it's all about ego and money. Let's face it, if students have to pay money to bow to them, this doesn't quite encourage a person's pretentious attitude.

That said, I enjoy the art and the exercise, and I do like the kicks and the communal feeling in most schools, so I am, in a way, still a Taekwondofan.


Edited by TaekwonDoFan (03/30/10 11:33 AM)

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#426195 - 03/30/10 06:05 PM Re: Alex Gilles interviews GM CK Choi [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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What always frustrated me was when ITF-ers wrote in some of the MA mags about how 'waist-twisters' weren't doing 'true TKD', as the General taught it.

Considering many of those they were aiming at had learned under the general or his close masters (like Master Rhee Ki Ha)it made one want to ask what they had been taught if it wasn't 'true TKD'.
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#426197 - 03/30/10 09:34 PM Re: Alex Gilles interviews GM CK Choi [Re: trevek]
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You see they really are both doing the TKD as the General taught it. It is just a matter of time.

The original (1972) version people say they are doing the original way and that there was no need/reason to change. the sine wavers point to the General's more advanced application of science to the developement of power in the updated techniques.

I moved recently and went to the local ITF-V school given my interaction at the time with them through GM CK Choi. I exlained my situaton to the 5th degree instructor and he said that it was OK that I could come to his school and he would be happy to update my techniques to bring me up to speed with updated TKD. Writely or wrongly I took this in a negative way. I just wanted to train 10 minutes from home instead of an hour but I did not necessarily feel my techniques needed updated. Maybe they could use it but that was not the basis to begin.

The thing is that everyone tries to put everyone else down to show the legitimacy of thier own version.

But if we agree that patterns have little to do with fighting and are a form of exercise then it shouldn't really matter how they are done.

Which ever version is fine we just need to stop saying that one is superior to the other or one is more correct than the other.

nb I still won't do Juche though


Edited by flynch (03/30/10 09:43 PM)

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#426199 - 03/31/10 12:45 AM Re: Alex Gilles interviews GM CK Choi [Re: flynch]
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I explained my situation to the 5th degree instructor and he said that it was OK that I could come to his school and he would be happy to update my techniques to bring me up to speed with updated TKD.


I assume your only talking about forms/patterns correct? Otherwise, what exactly about your techniques needed updating? Did they not function right in the first place?
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#426207 - 03/31/10 03:11 AM Re: Alex Gilles interviews GM CK Choi [Re: TeK9]
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Well I did not ask and maybe I should have but I assumed he was talking about the patterns as he never saw me train.

As for my techniques I would say they are on the slower side but have a decent amount of power. But I recognized the averageness of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOo3MB0426s

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#426208 - 03/31/10 03:25 AM Re: Alex Gilles interviews GM CK Choi [Re: flynch]
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I'm getting my flexibility back, and my kicks are getting better, but I still have to work at it.

With my high kicks, I can now spar with a short person - or perhaps I should say, vertically-challenged person. LOL.


Edited by TaekwonDoFan (03/31/10 03:25 AM)

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#426212 - 03/31/10 06:22 AM Re: Alex Gilles interviews GM CK Choi [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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Originally Posted By: TaekwonDoFan
My problem with these debates is that the Cold War is long over, and North Korea (and Cuba) are lonely holdouts to a failed ideology. So I don't care about communist TKD versus capitalist TKD, because, as Bruce Lee says, a kick is a kick, a punch is a punch.

Yes the "Cold War" is over. But with Korea it is at an all time height of tension, reference to the SK Navy ship that sank in the waters close to the disputed border with NK, that NK never accepted the UN designation for. This is fact & it does impact TKD politics more than people suspect.

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#426213 - 03/31/10 06:26 AM Re: Alex Gilles interviews GM CK Choi [Re: flynch]
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Originally Posted By: flynch
You see they really are both doing the TKD as the General taught it. It is just a matter of time.

The thing is that everyone tries to put everyone else down to show the legitimacy of thier own version.

But if we agree that patterns have little to do with fighting and are a form of exercise then it shouldn't really matter how they are done.

Agree totally. For me patterns are about art & the beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If you think yours looks better, good for you. As far as generation of power within them with fundamental movements in isolation, whatever helps you best, good luck

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#426214 - 03/31/10 06:28 AM Re: Alex Gilles interviews GM CK Choi [Re: TaekwonDoFan]
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@Flynch

exactly, this whole "mine is bigger than yours... oops, sorry, better than yours' thing is damned annoying.

As a non-ITF affiliated Chang Hon practitioner I've trained with a number of different clubs for a variety of periods (a few weeks, months, years)and genrally I've had no problem with people trying to impose on me.

WTF clubs... no problem... just don't do those head strikes.
PUMA... OK, no problem.

Even a hard-core ITF club, they didn't try to impose the SW onme (although they might have insisted on me developing over time)and even let me wear my non-ITF dobok.

Mind you, they did tell me to stop kihapping and go 'tsss'. That, and they expected me to know the ITF rituals for beginning and finishing a class (I didn't/don't). Rather embarrassing when I was sometimes the highest grade in the class (1st dan). I offered to stand at the back, as a guest, but they insisted on me being where the rank dictated.

Eventually I turned up with a red belt and explained to the trainer that it wasn't good for the kids to see a Black Belt making all these mistakes, when they were supposed to be taking example from the higher grades. He was surprised that I was prepared to do this and said he didn't think it necessary, but thanked me and accepted my decision.

Guess what... that day I was the only red belt in the class... and still the highest grade!!!!

Otherwise, i have mainly met very open-minded and agreeable people in TKD. It saddens me that some of the people we should be looking to for examples should be looking the other way themselves.
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