They are not part of the ITF system. They are wonderfull contributions by 2 original TKD pioneers

Alex Gillis refers to them as the Lost Gospels. Maybe they should be part of the curriculum. But only one pioneer, CK Choi, designed them. Who is the other pioneer you're referring to?

Oh, OK - Major Woo, as he then was. I reread the thread and got my answer.

I think GM CK Choi is concerned about ITF becoming another sport, just as WTF has become, and he wants to cut out the fluff and focus more on the unarmed combat. At least, that's my impression.

If you agree "for the most part", then what part don't you agree with?

More sparring videos with GM CK Choi

http://www.youtube.com/user/al3xgillis#p/a/u/0/1e5W00tyNd8

http://www.youtube.com/user/al3xgillis#p/a/u/1/xmpK8GdoPR8

BTW this has been my summer dojang for years

Quick reveiw of GM CK CHoi seminar in England

http://vip.tkdsource.com/blog/view/id_312/title_grandmaster-c-k-choi-seminar/

Master Bolanos, my TKD instructor whom I trained with at the local Community college here teaches kicking and punching patterns very similar to the ones presented by GM CK Choi.

My instructor is a 5th dan in TKD, and also holds a high rank in kenpo and Judo. He trained in Panama and was a Pan American medalist in TKD.

He is Kukikwon certified and teaches TKD both as sport and as self defense.

Back in when I first started training with him I was already a black belt and was tired of performing patterns, but these sparring ones I thought were more appropriate for someone beginning because you moved in a realistic way. So I decided to include these short patterns into my personal teaching syllabus.

When I asked him about his TKD training back in Panama he said his teacher never did patterns. It was straight basics with footwork.

Back then his patterns were the Palgwe's. Old school TKD. May not look pretty but it worked.

See now that is interesting, your instructor being from Panama that is.

For the last five or so years GM CK Choi has been trying (or asking me to locate) a training film he was hired to make for the leader of Paraguay in the 1960's.

My mistake Master Bolanos did not originally learn the Palgwe's he first learned the pyong-ahn which are the Korean version the Okinawan Pinan's used in almost all karate styles including shotokan.