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#419709 - 06/01/09 08:42 PM Re: Legit Snake Style Kung Fu or Chin na teachers [Re: Chin_Da01]
MattJ Offline
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Registered: 11/25/04
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Loc: York PA. USA
What about Wing chun do you not like?
"In case you ever wondered what it's like to be knocked out, it's like waking up from a nightmare only to discover it wasn't a dream." -Forrest Griffin

#419710 - 06/02/09 10:51 AM Re: Legit Snake Style Kung Fu or Chin na teachers [Re: MattJ]
ShikataGaNai Offline

Registered: 08/27/05
Posts: 1163
Loc: Bellingham, WA
Wing Chun doesn't have enough pressure point fighting and other low percentage techniques, so it isn't that good

#419711 - 06/02/09 02:25 PM Re: Legit Snake Style Kung Fu or Chin na teachers [Re: EpicHubris]
Ames Offline

Registered: 05/29/05
Posts: 1117

I am interested in finding a CMA that focuses on good stance-work, finesse, maximizing the effectiveness of a blow (pressure points), and is a good compliment to Aikido.

Both Bagua or Xing Yi are excellent for all these things. Bagua is very, very similar in many respects to Aikido, has many strikes. Xing Yi is striking oriented, though it has throws and takedowns, the 'peng' hand position that you learn is very, very similar to the shomenuchi hand position you know from Aikido--however, imo, Xing Yi uses this position in a far more effective way. In terms of something that works well with Aikido, I would be learning more towards the internal arts, than the external myself. Not that there isn't a heck of a lot you (or I) could learn there, but just that the IMA seem more applicable to Aikido.


I was interested in Chin Na because I take Aikido and it seemed like it would similar enough to make for a relatively easy transition and allow me to, hopefully, get on the path to learn some effect pressure point usage.

Yang Jwing Ming does teach a seperate 'chin na' curriculum, but my understanding is that this is uncommon. If there isn't one of his YMAA centres around, you might be out of luck. However, most legit kung fu styles do have a chin na component--but it isn't taught as a seperate system. Taiji, Bagua, Xing Yi also all have lots of chin na in them (and in many ways are better fits with Aikido). That being said, these guys might be right up you're alley:

Note that, along with the CMA, they also teach Aikido, so they can help fit it all together. However, they do say that they are not interested in the either the performance or fighting aspect. But that could mean a lot of things, so I would contact them.

Also these guys have a good reputation, and the head instructor was trained under Tim Cartmell, which means that, aside from learning forms or applications, you will also, at some point, get to spar. Personally, if I was in Seatlle, these are the guys I would be training with:

Again, everything they offer there can only help. Especially the drilling of techniques in a live environment. This place would make a great addition to your Aikido.

Personally, I've been there and done that looking for specific styles to complement this or that. It took me awhile before I realized that style doesn't really matter as much as good no b.s. instruction. When you are looking for something to compliment Aikido, remember that what you are actually looking for is something to compliment what YOU have learned in Aikido. It's a subtle difference, but it isn't just semantics.

I spent some time learning Chin na, and, honestly, it wasn't that different from what I already learned in Aikido. Yes, some differences where there, such as posture and range. There was some discussion of pressure points. I didn't go far enough to really get into the cavity press stuff. It was interesting to see similar concepts from a different angle, but other than that, I ended up stopping because between Aikido and DR, I felt that I already had that (rather small) aspect of fighting covered. Personally, at this point I'm far more interested in the aspects that I can't find in Aikido (some which should be there, but generally aren't taught, some which were never there). This is why I suggest the IMA.

Good luck.


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#419712 - 06/02/09 03:17 PM Re: Legit Snake Style Kung Fu or Chin na teachers [Re: Ames]
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Registered: 07/16/03
Posts: 1656
Loc: Colorado, USA
Nice Ames. I was going to recommend threeharmonies also. Jake Burroughs is an excellent no BS teacher!
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#419713 - 06/02/09 07:12 PM Re: Legit Snake Style Kung Fu or Chin na teachers [Re: MattJ]
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Registered: 05/23/09
Posts: 23
Loc: Mid west

What about Wing chun do you not like?

We shouldn't high jack this thread. However, the same things I see in American Kenpo I see In Wing Chun. Both run counter to what I naturally gravitate to.

#419714 - 06/03/09 01:21 PM Re: Legit Snake Style Kung Fu or Chin na teachers [Re: EpicHubris]
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Registered: 11/13/05
Posts: 999
Loc: Chicago, IL
Why would snakes need to study kung fu? They seem like they're pretty tough already.

#419715 - 06/04/09 10:30 PM Re: Legit Snake Style Kung Fu or Chin na teachers [Re: fileboy2002]
ShikataGaNai Offline

Registered: 08/27/05
Posts: 1163
Loc: Bellingham, WA
Are you kidding? Haven't you ever seen what a mongoose can do to a cobra?

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