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#418582 - 04/24/09 09:21 PM Should Kyle Maynard be allowed to fight in the UFC
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Kyle Maynard of Suwanee, Georgia, U.S. was born on March 24, 1986 with a rare disorder called congenital amputation.




Basicly, Kyle wants to fight in the UFC, but as you can read from the article officals are denying him this opportinity. Should they?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=mm...e&type=lgns


Good luck to him I say, if he can train under MMA rules then he can fight under them. (I have not seen footage of Kyle fighting under MMA rules, but obviously sparring against top fighters is a must if entering the UFC at all for ANYBODY.)

Kyle fighting: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=Kyle+Maynard&aq=f
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#418583 - 04/25/09 09:53 AM Re: Should Kyle Maynard be allowed to fight in the UFC [Re: MiSt]
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Well as far as UFC goes he doesn't weigh enough. There smallest weight class right now is 155. But there is WEC and I heard they might be starting a 125 weight class. This is a hard one to call. If he wants to do it he should be aloud.

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#418584 - 04/25/09 11:17 AM Re: Should Kyle Maynard be allowed to fight in the UFC [Re: bo-ken]
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I applaud the guy for his heart. I really don't know what to think about him competing against able-bodied competitors. It seems like such a giant disadvantage for him (MMA striking?), I can't see how to make it fair. Bo-ken also brings up a good point about weight classes.

I would hate to be the guys that have to rule on this.
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#418585 - 04/25/09 02:16 PM Re: Should Kyle Maynard be allowed to fight in the UFC [Re: MattJ]
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I too applaud this guy for wanting to do this but my opinion is no; that he should not be allowed to fight in the UFC or any other MMA venues for that matter.

While many may look on this as he is at a disadvantage not having arms and legs, you also have to look at the disadvantage to the other fighters. Kicking is one of fundamental skills used especially head kicks. Clinch and knees are also fundamentals to this game. Leg locks, ankle locks, armbars and the such are all fundamentals to this game. These are things that a fighter could not use against him and are only some of the reasons why I don't think having him do MMA is a good idea.

I understand we are to be a tolerant society and we should adapt many things to accommodate those less able; and I'm all for that. However we need to understand that there are certain things we all are not capable of doing.

If Maynard wanted to be a boxer should he be allowed to fight professionally? What if he wanted to play professional football? What if Maynard wanted to be a Police Officer or a Fire Fighter, should he be allowed to? Or wanted to join the military to fight over seas on the front lines? Should Maynard be allowed to ride a motorcycle?

The list could go on and the answers are all no. While it is good to have dreams, it is good to strive for them, in reality some things are just not possible. That he has found a place to train and that he's done what he has; again I applaud him and I say continue to train and enjoy it. BUT I do not believe that rules should be changed in any sport or any faction in life that puts the other participants at a disadvantage due to his disabilities. His disabilities then disable those people and THAT I find unfair. If there was a way for him to fight within the rules without changing them and does not take away from the other participants skills they have honed and train then I would say yes; but that is not possible in this instance.

On a final note, say this wasn't the UFC or your average MMA venue. Say this was Pride where head kicks and knees to the head are allowed to a downed opponent. Should those rules be changed for him? Do you think that he would have a serious chance at defending himself properly? Or would his safety be at risk? That the fighter who fought him that beat him would be seen as a real victor or looked upon as somebody taking advantage of somebody less able? And as a fighter could you really feel good about a win against him?

He's a great guy. He has a strong will. That is an accomplishment that nobody can take away from him but fighting in the MMA world is not something I personally think he should be allowed to do.
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#418586 - 04/25/09 05:46 PM Re: Should Kyle Maynard be allowed to fight in the UFC [Re: Dereck]
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I agree 100% with Dereck

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#418587 - 04/26/09 09:44 AM Re: Should Kyle Maynard be allowed to fight in the UFC [Re: MattyChi]
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From this link -

http://sherdog.com/news/news/maynard-loses-leaves-cage-unscathed-17190

"AUBURN, Ala. -- Knighted by some and demonized by others, Kyle Maynard completed his almost two-year-long journey into the cage on Saturday at the Auburn Covered Arena. He left it unscathed, save for the defeat on his amateur mixed martial arts record.

The 23-year-old congenital amputee dropped a three-round decision to Bryan Fry in the main event of an Auburn Fight Night show and received five standing ovations for his efforts. Fears centered on the possibility of his being injured lingered overhead, but Maynard proved capable of defending himself. All three judges scored it 30-27 in Frys favor.

Maynards dogged pursuit of a takedown never paid off, as Fry kept him at bay with jabs, open-handed hooks and the occasional uppercut. The Wisconsin native maintained a standing position for the duration of the bout, and though Maynard was often the aggressor, he failed to score with anything of substance.

I think its a tough gameplan to prepare for, Maynard said. I felt like I gave 100 percent. He didnt want to go to the ground, and I wasnt going to win a boxing match with him.

Piggybacked to the cage by longtime friend Ben Davis, Maynard was confronted by a cold reality soon after he entered it.

When I walked in the cage, and when [Fry] was first able to initiate contact, I realized this was the most serious thing Id ever gotten myself into, and I loved it, he said. I think my ear is still buzzing from that first shot.

Fry -- whose mother cares for mentally and physically handicapped patients and whose son suffers from sickle cell anemia -- claimed he accepted the fight with Maynard in good faith to help the Georgian show others afflicted with disability that dreams are reachable.

It was important for me to come down here, said Fry, who won for the first time in three amateur appearances. If my son sees this guy get in the ring, it lets him know.

Bryan Fry vs. Kyle MaynardFry credited Maynard for the courage he showed.

I was pretty damned amazed, he said. I didnt expect him to be that quick. Hes got bigger balls than a lot of the guys I know.

The setting was far from ideal. Partially enclosed by a steel skeleton, the arena came complete with a dirt floor peppered with straw, a wooden press box and bleachers, a hot dog stand, a row of portable toilets and a live band. Sexual enhancement fliers were passed out to the crowd before the first fist flew, and cigarette smoke choked the air, as Maynard and Fry -- the ninth and final bout on the card -- competed in a square cage of black chain-link.

Still, the venue served its purpose for Maynard, who was denied an MMA license by the Georgia Athletic and Entertainment Commission in 2007.

He tempered the disappointment of defeat with optimism and perspective.

I wanted to win so bad, but it was still one of the best moments of my life, Maynard said. A lot of people didnt think I would last 30 seconds. If you want something bad enough, youve got to step in there and do it. I love the sport so much. It would have been so tough to love something so much and never get the chance to taste it.

Maynard did not compete with gloves, as perspiration -- temperatures hovered in the 80s for much of the night -- caused them to come loose during a warm-up session.

I couldnt keep them on, Maynard said. I had to tell [Fry] around the seventh or eighth fight. Hes a tough fighter. A lot of guys wouldnt have taken the fight. A lot of guys [when confronted] at the last minute with this, would have been like, Whoa, whoa, whoa. What about gloves?

His thirst for competition far from fully quenched, Maynard plans to compete again in amateur MMA and still holds out hope he will be allowed to do so in a regulated state, perhaps even his native Georgia.

I want to go in [before the commission] with as much proof as I can, he said. I still have the opportunity to go do that. I dont know if Ive built my case yet. I dont know what I have to do to fight in a commissioned state.

Cornered by UFC veteran Paul Creighton, a Renzo Gracie black belt with whom he now trains full-time, Maynard plans to return to his Duluth, Ga., gym soon.

I didnt win tonight, Maynard said. I have to get back on the horse and perfect things. This has given me a taste. I want to get back in there and do it again. Im only 23 years old. Ive got a lot of time left athletically.
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#418588 - 04/26/09 02:59 PM Re: Should Kyle Maynard be allowed to fight in the UFC [Re: MattJ]
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Bravo for him but I still stand by what I said earlier.

I guarantee that Fry did not fight to his full potential. That by accepting to fight Maynard and having a mother that cares for mentally and physically handicapped persons, he took it easy and if wanted to could have ended the fight immediately.

Plus gloves were not worn by Maynard as they wouldn't stay on. These are a part of the equipment that are worn by all fighters for both of their safety. If Maynard would have been able to strike Fry with the stub of his arm; could that have put Fry at risk?

Again bravo but still no.
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#418589 - 04/27/09 02:56 AM Re: Should Kyle Maynard be allowed to fight in the UFC [Re: Dereck]
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So Dereck, where do you draw the line? What about somebody with one arm? There was a well known muay thai fighter that lost his arm in a car accident, but continued to fight at a high level, is that ok but Maynard not? How can anybody draw the line?

btw I hope somone can find info on this source, for its just a memory of somthing written here years ago.
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#418590 - 04/27/09 03:17 AM Re: Should Kyle Maynard be allowed to fight in the UFC [Re: MiSt]
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If a one armed fighter doesn't have to have the rules changed for them and their opponents can do what they do and train for; then so be it. And if that one armed fighter's safety is not a factor; again so be it. Pretty clear cut question.
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#418591 - 04/27/09 04:08 AM Re: Should Kyle Maynard be allowed to fight in the UFC [Re: Dereck]
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And if that one armed fighter's safety is not a factor




Thats very subjective. Nobody is safe in an MMA tournament to start with...

Did Maynard have the rules changed for him?

Also the bit about the fighters being able to do what they train for, pretend for example a fighter had a wierd kind of double jointed arms/legs which did not negativly effect him, only meaning he would not submit, should he not be allowed to fight? I have a feeling he would be praised a natural grappler...(Obviously just a guess)
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