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#417408 - 04/18/09 08:30 AM Re: Naked Choke as Bait to damamge PP and Jaw [Re: karl314285]
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When I teach self defense, I have people practice with make-shift weapons. Typically, I ask participants to come to class with a bag containing 3-5 household items. They do not know how they will be used. Then, early in the training session, I have them use these items in a solo 1 minute (aerobic) battle while others either do the same in their (safe distance) solo practice circles, or observe and give pointers. It is good to see how nonmartial arts participants "discover" how different weapons can be used and even different parts of the same weapon. For example, some will want to fight with the mop or broom that is in the dojo. This "weapon" has different potential depending on whether you are using the handle or the floor end.

I love kubaton and always carry one. With the hammer fist, it is a point attacker like cranes beak strike. It doesn't twist well or stretch tissue like you can striking/sliding into a point with a fist or palm, but it makes up for it with how hard it is.

The end of the kubaton also can be used in tuite like the punyo/handle end of a jo/bo/escrima. It traps.

What point are you calling Bubbling Well? Do you know the meridian name and number? I keep thinking of a point called bubbling brook that is K1 and you don't mean that one. I am familiar with points on the back from bladder and SI meridians and the upper back from triple warmer and gall bladder meridians. I just checked the name of the shu points and don't see one called "bubbling well".
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#417409 - 04/18/09 10:35 PM Re: Naked Choke as Bait to damamge PP and Jaw [Re: underdog]
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Hi,

underdog...thats what I was hoping you'd tell me

I was not given any name by GPD, we just got hit and hit back till we got it (great way to learn ,huh)

This may help, I attended many sesshin at Mountain and Rivers Order Zen Monastery, and 10 Hrs a day for 7 day and no speaking or even eye contact, One gets to about to fall asleep sitting...the Diado Roshi and the few long term residents he had run the extended sitting were also sitting, but some way they 'knew' when to get up with the kyosaku (stick which one was hit on the same two points GPD had taught, but the resident monk knew just how hard to hit and ...da___n I was awake).

The third time this point came up was as mentioned, Master Huang was correcting how we walked the Ba Gua circle emphasizing a point on the plantar surface of the foot (I believe the Japanese call the point koson ( one of several used for resuscitation)), and how by correctly walking this was a 'well' to gather and move chi in a circuit, then discussed waht he called "bubbling well" (Remember he was born and raised in Guangdong, so terms may be different) and how massage was beneficial and pointed out that striking the point was detrimental.

I browsed my nice 1st ed of Shanghai college of medicines'
"Acupuncture, a Comprehensive Text" and kept seeing in the charts...a collection of points in what I assume to be the area to strike, TB15,B36 and SI11,12 and 13.....and as it covered a fair surface GB21 may have been involved...

does the Zen awakening point help, and while broad the collection of points all seemed to be potentially 'it' or striking the confluence of all those might be 'it'

happy to know others practice everyday objects, I'll mention a way to use the magazine spine to do a not so common knife tap that allows one to keep distance but will "disturb vision" (not a PP, just cool)

-Karl. Peace.
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#417410 - 04/29/09 02:26 AM Re: Naked Choke as Bait to damamge PP and Jaw [Re: karl314285]
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I'm schizo, replying to myself then...
Hi...Underdog you there is this transference disorder or like Bach...in a Fugue?

Does the dinky # in bottom indicate how many have viewed this semi-monologue or how much $$$$ the members have pooled to ICE ME

To The promised sneaky knife trick you can do with a FITE , esp. a tightly rolled magazine (remember spine out)...it is an acupuncture point I believe and what we want to strike, but I diverge cause it fits FITE ( If it 'twer even a simple butter knife...quick tap, in and out fast)...But a rolled magazine spine (even if you wrap say a cell phone cord about center of mag pages prior to rolling like that huh?) is not all to sharp, unless

1. you know where your edge is, Knife, sword and machete practitioners have the...advantage.

2. remember the other person is armed maybe, precise and focused...

3. Y'all heard this one before jimminy crick-its the mid line of the skull near beginning of hairline

dont know if any one is actually reading (so is this going to make me blind?)...but yo young folk keep hittin each other you might have more C-Spine/Odontoid X-Rays and CT Head scans than I have....
If your even just about to end Mr. Knife dude w/ a Magazine (Right, hahaha...but, if you had time to get the magazine spine rolled right, theres more) Yo BP and Mr. Per....wait I got DUMPED...Crazed Knife Fiend Ms.(Name here) her BP is even higher.....Quick tap on "Nobles Peak" area of hairline with anything sharp, stapler, edge of stapler, nicely rolled Car and Babes annual and if you dont get at least One gout of spurting blood, well at least most will "Possibly" blind or impair Ms. Psycho knife r to get in a shot or two at...THE WEAPON HAND...Master Dong told me that growing up in Vietnam when sparring 1/2 point was given to clean hard shots to the back of the hands or to the dorsal aspect of the foot...and my cute knuckles have tapped the back of several folks hands, not too hard tho...

ok If Im still alive or at least functional in a a few days, might move to Port St John down south a here if I can land this job, if not...can we take up a pity the FOOO who trusts a WOMAN collection so I can cry while watching "Fist of Legend"....oh, home-less, are there electrical outlets in the woods?

stay tuned and seriously that # is that people who actually put up with my rambling detours of mispelling and grandma butchering...cause I better add some simple PP to the Aikido and PP thang goin...

PS...You KNOW your getting old when the casual dare to your once 5y/o student turned 18 now, makes you sweat until hes choked, cause ritual Seppku crossed my mind tonight...darn I've created a future beast...I feel like cryin CAUSE IT LASTED MORE THAN A MIN, I must be dying...

-Karl. Peace and an unraveled big paper clip
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#417411 - 04/29/09 08:58 AM Re: Naked Choke as Bait to damamge PP and Jaw [Re: karl314285]
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The hairline cluster is OK for practice. The angle is tricky so for real self defense if my life depended on it, I'd just shoot for the eyes and call it a day. The hairline cluster kind of strikes down and doesn't work well for me in practice. For a take-down, I'd rather use third eye, a bit lower, rather than risk sliding around on a sweaty forehead too far up. With a baseball cap on with the bill forward, supposedly, you can hit the bill straight on, which would give you the downward angle for the hairline cluster strike. Dillman talks about it in one of his old videos, however, I've only heard of one person actually getting that KO for real. My coach says that when he was a young lad of about 8, a girl actually KO'd him with that strike to his hat.
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#417412 - 04/29/09 10:26 AM Re: Naked Choke as Bait to damamge PP and Jaw [Re: underdog]
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Cool, thanks underdog,
i thought there was a good spot there (caught a bokken w/ my world famous face/skull block once and it dropped me)

You the acu guru...

I had momentarily diverged from common object use for PP control just to mention the confluence of thin skin and high vascular nature of the area lending itself to a semi-edge (phone book spine say) longer reach object and ease of laceration to induce "blood blinding" as moment to run or grab something else.

Been getting ok w/ 9 section chain whip past yr (incumbent pain as well), now I notice chain whip in lots of objects, belt buckle will be recognized by observant Jet Li fans as he uses his belt as chain whip to lacerate and momentarily "blood blind" the huge Billy Chow, belt w/ both hands similar to 3 section and chain whip on knife arm trapping.

Started too soon playing w/ makeshift meteor hammer(2 lg auto sockets & 20ft rope, more time to dodge but didnt once, forearm lump huge...Garden hose w/ brass spray nozzle not as flexible, darn if it didnt start to work after almost cranking ma head.

One of Master Dongs Bros was knifed in Vietnam, became acupuncturist. sittin alone together at breakfast he ask if I had a question for him (Psychic OMD's). duh Im young w/ an amazing opportunity and I ask...Best Acu point to strike to kill or immed incapacitate...well thats me

He actually didnt even ponder...immediate reply was ARMPIT, blunt strike with a clipboard or book numbs, knuckles, esp Pheonix eye fist or thumb knuckle drops em and may slowly kill if not treated, pencil, pen etc, the Perp is toast.

Armpit has surrounding excess tissue for Chin-Na grasp or tear, pectoral attachment near top of humerus, triceps attachment near lats, Lats are option but youd need pliers.

Anything to give out about Armpit not obvious like vascular, lymph chains, central tendon station and easy dislocation w/ strike from underneath. I've always liked that spot just to see how easy it is to access sparring and grappling.

-Karl. Peace.
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#417413 - 04/30/09 08:04 AM Re: Naked Choke as Bait to damamge PP and Jaw [Re: karl314285]
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I don't usually use arm pit unless fighting with a beginner because an experienced fighter keeps his elbows down better. You really need to create the opening. I've certainly heard a lot about H1 point though.

There is a condition called "crutch palsy" wherein people with temporary need of crutches, and inadaquate physical therapy to teach them how to use them, lean on the crutches with their armpits instead of supporting their weight on the hand rests and using the tricept muscles more to lift their weight. They get numb and weak in the arms. I'm surprised they don't get problems in the brachial plexus or in the heart. Maybe it is because the armpit pad is flat and soft and doesn't really dig into the point like a punch would.
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#417414 - 04/30/09 10:17 AM Re: Naked Choke as Bait to damamge PP and Jaw [Re: underdog]
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Yup underdog,
a good set o big knuckles or the auto fore-knuckle really help.
I use an Aikido concept, or rather understanding of reflexive human nature to open the armpit...

Lots of 'Breath' throws and so many i've seen fail cause they dont apply what Oshima Sensei called the basketball effect, just reversed due to armpit looking at ground.

In the throw, the arm is barred and head pinned to ones shoulder/chest (and YES shove that thumb behind the jaw while directing uke head to ground...woah, let go and reflexively head and body POP UP) now one can complete the throw (and YES shove index and middle finger under, up and in base of midJaw as they arise and direct uke (with some pain compliance) to more rapidly continue popping up....oh off balance ( a good shove and ...oohhh feet off floor, drop)

Palm the opponents face and direct to their rear and down, they dont like it and most often BOTH hands reflexively open armpit by trying to get your hand off their face, too bad that hand wasnt the one to worry about, ram a phoenix eye fist index knuckle in that pit and hold your ears....
as a beneficial aside, please folks I AM NOT SUGGESTING this next as to be used in ordinary American life, but things can change and you might be defending home soil...Lo and behold the Evil empire scout rounds a bend, palm that face back and drive your knife just above larynx almost to base of tongue and drive it home to what used to be the evil ones brain stem...silent and kinda bloodless...I Hear.

-Karl. Peace.
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#417415 - 05/03/09 12:53 PM Re: Naked Choke as Bait to damamge PP and Jaw [Re: karl314285]
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hi all,

I am now homeles so future post will be erratic

love y'all keep this post alive as I'll be back

Karl. Peace. maybe bye and dirt nap, hope not
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#417416 - 05/04/09 08:21 AM Re: Naked Choke as Bait to damamge PP and Jaw [Re: karl314285]
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Sorry for your misfortune. Take care of yourself. First things first.
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#417417 - 05/04/09 06:24 PM Re: Naked Choke as Bait to damamge PP and Jaw [Re: underdog]
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Hi
finally got brief internet access...will be on in future...no hear in two weeks all my planning fell through...

Anterior Tibial nerve (very open at flexion point of foot and anterior aspect ankle between the medial and lateral malloeoli)...I was to kick this point (best if closed w/ opponent but a good lucky shot ) with the edge of boot either instep or outer part. will drop a person as well as striking the common pernial (Sp?), ie kicking side of thigh.

Also lends itself to a strike with any tool of expediency resembling baton...chair leg, that ol rolled magazine, grab a stick (and hope its not too rotton )

It can be very unexpected and hard to block Using the instep side of boot sorta resembles Wing Tsun Kick, and ...I've foot swept people using my hand, if that has worked then a kick there is as well unexpected.

Thoughts?

-Karl. Peace. see ya soon...Just when everyone was breathing a sigh of "no more weird posts from that dude"
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