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#417250 - 03/18/09 07:22 PM Bruce Lee Probably Took Steroids
ushirotanabe Offline
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I am sick of threads about Bruce Lee and the elementary, uneducated debates on whether he used such drugs. So I am going to offer the only explanation to a debate that has no real answer, as it is impossible to ask him. Did Bruce Lee use steroids? Probably.

Here is why: First off, I am both an experienced martial artist and experienced steroid user. So for all the people who just rant and throw useless information regarding subjects they have zero experience with, shut up and pay attention.

Given the time period, Bruce was most likely exposed to such compounds as testosterone, deca, dianabol and a number of diuretics. People think that injecting test will make you huge. Bullsh*t. If you don't eat an enormous amount of food you're not going to get much bigger at all. It's quite possible to attain a physique like his using testosterone and having an extremely strict diet, supplemented with diuretic pills. These pills, which were available then, take water out of your body and give you a more "ripped" appearance. And considering testosterone, deca, dbol, the most popular steroids of that time were not illegal, there is no reason why he wouldn't have at least tried some.

"oohh but he was so dedicated and blah blah he would never compromise his integrity asdf" Shut up. Because he was so dedicated is probably the primary reason why he would use such compounds, because elite athletes will try almost anything to get an edge.

He was in show business. Actors today use steroids. They use their body to make money. Yes there is some acting and entertainment qualities needed, but if they were ugly and out of shape they wouldn't be able to get certain roles. And lets face it: Actors do not have years to prepare physically for a role when they can achieve the same results in 4 months with some special help.

"Bruce was skinny, he did not have a physique similar to those with steroid use." You don't get it. If his diet and cardio was as extreme as it is documented, 1: he probably needed testosterone to recover and train so often, 2: he wouldn't have had to worry about getting too bulky because of his calories. He could have shot test like mad and still stayed thin.

Bruce was cocky and arrogant. Anything that could have made him better than someone else would have been beneficial to him, ergo it would make logical sense to have at least tried steroids.

Dan Inosanto once said Bruce got up to about 160lbs, then lost the weight he had gained because he lost speed. I doubt it. I haven't lost any speed whatsoever and have put on more than 25lbs of pure muscle from steroids. He could have done a cycle and put on some muscle, then realizing how difficult it is to maintain that and keep up his martial training, he lost weight. Let me tell you, it would be extremely difficult to train in a martial art, especially as he did, while also having a heavy weight lifting routine. Your body would simply be too sore to keep up with that kind of routine. So, possibly he tried, because we all know he wanted to be bigger and was jealous of those with more muscular physiques, but found the rigors too demanding, as I have, as anyone would. Bodybuilding routines and extreme martial training do not mix well, which is why some of todays fighters have good physiques, but are hardly comparable to a bodybuilder. So it would make more sense to tone down his weight routine, lift lighter weights so he could recover faster and still be able to do the cardio and martial training he desired. Just a thought.

I am not saying he did or did not, as I can not know that answer. What I am saying is, rationally, it makes logical sense he would have at least tried some, and frankly seems quite naive to think otherwise.

Think what you want, but it's simple probability. The evidence to support rational and logical thought is overwhelming.

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#417251 - 03/18/09 08:12 PM Re: Bruce Lee Probably Took Steroids [Re: ushirotanabe]
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#417252 - 03/18/09 08:38 PM Re: Bruce Lee Probably Took Steroids [Re: MattJ]
ushirotanabe Offline
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Quote:

The evidence is apparently not there in the post-mortem tox-screen, though.




True, which means nothing. Not all screens reveal compounds such as dbol, or others, which is out of the system in a couple weeks max. As for elevated levels of testosterone, considering test wasn't an illegal drug, why would they do a specific screen searching for it? Answer: They wouldn't and didn't. And I'm not saying he was a long time user, other than he probably used at one point. That's all.

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#417253 - 03/18/09 08:42 PM Re: Bruce Lee Probably Took Steroids [Re: ushirotanabe]
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Hi,

I might have missed it but where did the Bruce Lee steroid 'connection' come from, the 'big boss'?

Mans dead, his sons dead, his wife would be hurt. I've lost a friend to substance unknown, to me it did not detract from the good he did in the world and the much smaller world of Martial Arts, I only felt that the kids he taught (and quite well at that) would be hurt by such dirt digging.

Perhaps so, perhaps no. As so many things in all the forums, what is fact today is speculative in the future as accepted paradigms change; and, some things as 'internal energy', or did a dead man take steroids 45yrs ago, are opinion only.

***BUT, to play devils advocate, if Bruce did take steroids to achieve his physique...
1.)Why does the physique of the late Brandon Lee so remarkably resemble his fathers (There is a vid clip on oldmans boobishi blog w/ a young Brandon facing David Carradine and I'd swear that could be Bruce Lee), could son have trained AND dosed like father??? Hard to imagine...

2.) Pics of Bruce Lee w/ Yip Man are of a youth, 10 more years and by the nature of aging it is not unlikely more muscle mass has been developed.

if this is just related to his truncated life, preexisting medical conditions were much more likely to be missed back then, as even now Medicine is still just part Scientific rigor and part Art, with Diagnostics heavy on the Art.

RIP father and son, the world was made better however the cause of the end.

Just my humble opinion-Official Devils Advocate-Karl esq.
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#417254 - 03/19/09 06:46 AM Re: Bruce Lee Probably Took Steroids [Re: ushirotanabe]
TheCrab Offline
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random guy who starts gay bruce lee thread on first post, nice to meet you.

Heres my perspective.

Bruce lee was a skinny motherf**er that didnt have the greatest or even a great physique by my standards, and he didnt take steroids because a) he was a skinny mother***er B) theres no evidence that he did
I have friends into sprinting that have comparable physiques and they dont take roids.


MOO

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#417255 - 03/19/09 07:13 AM Re: Bruce Lee Probably Took Steroids [Re: ushirotanabe]
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True, which means nothing. Not all screens reveal compounds such as dbol, or others, which is out of the system in a couple weeks max. As for elevated levels of testosterone, considering test wasn't an illegal drug, why would they do a specific screen searching for it? Answer: They wouldn't and didn't. And I'm not saying he was a long time user, other than he probably used at one point. That's all.




Fair point.
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#417256 - 03/19/09 01:45 PM Re: Bruce Lee Probably Took Steroids [Re: MattJ]
ShikataGaNai Offline
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There's lots of other elements that could have contributed to Bruce's physical appearance in his movies and books: lighting, body oil, camera angle, standing next to guys like Bolo Yeung... know what I mean?

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#417257 - 03/24/09 01:49 PM Re: Bruce Lee Probably Took Steroids [Re: ushirotanabe]
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For those interested, Linda Lee's ex-husband, Tom Bleecker, published a book which made this claim (Unsettled Matter: The Life and Death of Bruce Lee). Apparently he had access to Bruce Lee's files when he and Linda were together. So far, to my knowledge, he hasn't been sued, which might mean that there is some truth to his claims (considering the Bruce Lee Foundation's history of going to court over misuse of Bruce's image or whatever).

For more on this you can read an interview with Tom Bleecker

here:

http://www.bruceleedivinewind.com/tombleecker.html

--Chris


Edited by Ames (03/24/09 01:50 PM)
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#417258 - 05/14/09 06:07 PM Re: Bruce Lee Probably Took Steroids [Re: Ames]
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WORRY ABOUT YOURSELF NOT WHAT BRUCE DIS IT YOUR PRSONAL DEVELOPMENT COME FIRST,. U SPEND TOO MUCH TIME WORRYING ABOUT WHATHER A DEAD GUY TOOK DRUGS~~
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#417259 - 05/14/09 09:49 PM Re: Bruce Lee Probably Took Steroids [Re: KUNGFUNOOBIE]
Taison Offline
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And you kungfuslaya, need to learn not to WRITE EVERYTHING IN CAPITAL LETTERS.

PERHAPS YOU SHOULD LEARN TO WRITE PROPER ENGLISH BEFORE POSTING? IT'S A DAMN EYESORE WHEN PEOPLE DO THIS.

~DONNIE OUT!!!!!!!
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