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#417034 - 03/16/09 04:02 AM Re: Chuck Norris for president......of Texas? [Re: Kimo2007]
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Since when is intolerance to opposing views "American"?




After the 60 years you have just had, you are seriously going to ask that!?!?
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#417035 - 03/16/09 05:09 AM Re: Chuck Norris for president......of Texas? [Re: MattJ]
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Shoot, if Arnie can be governator why not Norris the Texanator aka President.
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#417036 - 03/16/09 09:04 AM Re: Chuck Norris for president......of Texas? [Re: JasonM]
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Just close the political thread already. These denegrate so quickly it's ridiculous.

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#417037 - 03/16/09 09:49 AM Re: Chuck Norris for president......of Texas? [Re: JoelM]
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It wasn't meant to be political. Ah well.
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#417038 - 03/16/09 11:55 AM Re: Chuck Norris for president......of Texas? [Re: MattJ]
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Excuse me, but how is a thread titled "Chuck Norris for President" not political?

And why does bringing politics into a thread automatically dirty or downgrade it? I thought we aspired to live in a democratic society--what kind of democracy declares political discussions off limits? If we do that, we might as well live in a dictatorship.

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#417039 - 03/16/09 12:02 PM Re: Chuck Norris for president......of Texas? [Re: BrianS]
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Probably won't happen. Lots of people in their right mind would support it though. Big government is not the answer to our problems. Government is FOR the people.




And BY the people, we don't fly in a board of judges from Kyrpton to run our government, we elect people from our population, fellow Americans to do it.

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Once again??? So, the government can do whatever it likes because it's the government?

Howcome I didn't see this kind of support for the last administration? Don't answer that....




No it does what system allows it to do, and if we the people do not like or agree, we have a system in which to challenge and over turn those things. A system that does NOT include the overthrow of the government by force and violence, which is what you seem to advocate.

In the last admin, you saw great public outcry. Many people were deeply offended by the policies. You throw around slogans like "big government" yet the last admin created the largest growth in size and spending AND centralized power maybe in history. There was some outcry from the right, but no where near what it would have been had a democrat been in office.

The point is ideology not facts on the ground drive the debate, and using slogans instead of making specific points does nothing but appeal to the lowest common denominator of a specific group, looking for a reason to be right.

Look, you call the people in Government Lefties, well actually they are much closer to centrist. If you want to meet some lefties I can spew some of their ideology and you would be forced to see, we are no where near that.

You mention how the current Admin offends you values? Which values? Specifics. Because at the end of the day there are a whole host of issues most reasonable Americans can come to an agreement on. There are issues we cannot, but instead of always framing the argument on the stuff we butt heads about, lets get to the stuff we agree on done, then worry about the other stuff.

The right offends my values, a war on science (teach creationism and deny climate change, leave big oil unchecked). Injecting government policy into personal moral family beliefs (see Terry Shivo and the entire right to life movement).

I can go on and on, but I don't advocate rounding up the right wing nut jobs and sticking them all in Texas. They won the elections, had the majority, I had to deal with it within the system.

Funny side note, the righties HATE the ACLU. Here is their charter:

"The ACLU is our nation's guardian of liberty, working daily in courts, legislatures and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties that the Constitution and laws of the United States guarantee everyone in this country."

While they may do some wacky stuff, their whole existence is to protect that which you claim to hold so dear. But instead of engaging them, they are a punch line in the right wing world. The reason is the right uses the Constitution as means to enforce it's own ideas of what America should be, and are quick to discard it, when it no longer serves it purpose.

If you claim to love America, make it stronger, work for change. Place the principles of the country above your personal convictions.

And be specific.

(If this thread lasts 10 more minutes I will be shocked!)
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#417040 - 03/16/09 12:27 PM Re: Chuck Norris for president......of Texas? [Re: fileboy2002]
MattJ Offline
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Excuse me, but how is a thread titled "Chuck Norris for President" not political?




Because the that's not the title of the thread. President of TEXAS. Texas doesn't have a president. I didn't take it seriously, but whatever.
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#417041 - 03/16/09 01:10 PM Re: Chuck Norris for president......of Texas? [Re: MattJ]
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The thread deals with a hypothetical defection of Texas from the US. That is a political issue.

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#417042 - 03/16/09 01:44 PM Re: Chuck Norris for president......of Texas? [Re: fileboy2002]
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Whatever dude.
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#417043 - 03/16/09 02:01 PM Re: Chuck Norris for president......of Texas? [Re: Cord]
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Cord, never ask an American to look back 60 years. In our political culture, if it did not happen last week, it never happened.

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