Rez,

So you guys do eye jab sparring or ? Do you kick each other in the balls too? What about biting? Do you do that also? Just curious. I'm trying to figure out how you guys train. How many members do you have...left?

I'm semi kidding with you. Seriously, if I've ever trained the eye jab in an alive manner, it wasn't into the eyes. But oddly enough, when boxing, you'll get hit in the eye frequently if you're not careful.

For me, defense has always been a top priority. Thus my stand-up game centers around that. I've found that if I'm getting hit too much, it meant my defense sucked. So if your face is a fist magnet, you may want to tweak yours, just a little. Don't know. Just a thought.

Hi,

been following this for a while and like to add an experiential thang and then a variation based on Xperiential thangs too...

But I have to wholeheartedly agree that if one were to have the Police arrive with the Aqueous and gooeyer Vitreous Humor of the eyes of the opponent dribbling down ones fingers, barring overwhelming evidence of imminent threat to ones life, well SD is moving to A&B w/ intent

1.) I practiced lead hand finger jabs to the double end speed bag for a while (weeks, prob month or two) and then went to 'play' w/ one of the few students, who over years I had introduced to no pad sparring(has safety rules and I chose only the most competent). all that time and my one open shot ended with two of my fingers up his nostrils, it's dam hard, BUT his reaction did leave him off balance and that could have been taken advantage of.
***So I feel while a lead finger jab may not land, if shot out fast and accurately will cause a reaction that opens a good door for follow up.

2.) Since one of the rules I made for the above type sparring was open hands to face and vital targets. Damaging the eyes can be done indirectly with much greater % hit ratio. A downward or vertical finger swipe to the nose can be as blinding as a jab, open palm with fingers slapping the temporal to orbit region is to good effect, I just made sure I spent time on the makiwara getting my fingers ready.
***Indirect eye damage with finger swipes has been mentioned, just thought I'd give a thumbs up to the idea.


-Karl

pre-emptive. a sure good strike. also infight good to use, especially on the streets. if i would have the chance and it is an easy and good solution, then yes: i´d go for the eye. but then i wouldnt stop. it is not a strike to end a fight, something must follow. either finishing strikes, or run away.

depending on the situation make a choice, its urs anyway.

Hello Moderator Ames:

Ok, let me be sure i understand you... if you want to perminantly stop someone, not ~maybe~ injure them a bit, but actually STOP them or in reverse they are trying to stop YOU

Are you saying that you would not take a very different approach to someone who was throwing spearhands at your eyes than if they were throwing punches to your torso?

If someone is trying to maim me, cripple me to the eyes I see a different intention, I can then remove any "safeties" that might still have existed...

An deliberate eye attack is a very different intention, IMHV-fwiw....

Jeff