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#415316 - 01/30/09 09:43 PM Is it practical for the street?
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I have been told several times by different people that Ju Jitsu isn't practical for street defense. I always thought it would be amazing in that regard. What are your thoughts?

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#415317 - 01/31/09 12:53 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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Kahless

For a guy that benchs what you do and is as large and strong as you are....pretty much ANYTHING is going to work ok for you.

But really the best answer here is....."depends on how good you are."

If you suck then pretty much nothing is going to work "on the street" or anywhere else.
If your any good....things to work well much more often.

Assumeing of course that you don't run into someone bigger, stronger AND "better" than you are.


Edited by cxt (01/31/09 12:54 AM)
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#415318 - 01/31/09 12:30 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: cxt]
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lol!
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#415319 - 02/01/09 06:09 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: BrianS]
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That makes sense. I guess what I am asking is that since a lot of these take downs seem to involve your knees slamming into the mat -and again I am new so forgive me if I am wrong- would that kill your knees if you try that on pavement?

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#415320 - 02/01/09 09:44 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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I guess what I am asking is that since a lot of these take downs seem to involve your knees slamming into the mat -and again I am new so forgive me if I am wrong- would that kill your knees if you try that on pavement?





You could be hurt by OTHER things on the street, such as by something your opponent does, rather than something you do to yourself.

People have differing opinions regarding the takedowns that are better for the street. Personally, I favor upper-body wrestling takedowns that are more low-risk, in that they don't leave you in bad positions should they fail. Many of them involve the saying of, "'we' land on 'you'" - in that your opponent acts that the landing pad. You lower the risk of being hurt when attempting these. Of course, if you're worried about injuring yourself as a result of your own actions in a street fight, you should probably avoid fighting altogether as that's just the wrong attitude to take (kind of like people worrying about breaking their hands in a street fight). You treat your injuries afterward. In a real fight, you commit everything you have and leave the rest to "God", chance and fate bro.

Now the takedowns that I'm speaking of are mostly from wrestling, but the same applies to virtually any throwing art. There will be a select few that you'll probably gravitate to the most over the course of your training. You will spend a lot of time practicing and training those throws. Over that time, you'll develop a depth of knowledge which within that, will enable you to develop a feel for that which will basically keep you safe. There's no shortcut. Experience matters.

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#415321 - 02/02/09 06:48 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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kathless

They land that way BECAUSE they have a mat----if they didn't they would land differently....maybe even use a different throw.....like Jkogas says above...maybe they would simply standind grapple.

Nothing to "forgive"......its just that what you see on tapes/vids or watching a class are generally much less formal and rigid than you think.

Look at it like a football quaterback----he only has a couple of ways the can throw a football and only a few ways he can run------and EVERYBODY coming at him knows this---yet a decent QB does all sorts of unexpected things with the limited actions he has.......martial arts are kinda the same......you really only as limited as your level of skill and imgenation.


Edited by cxt (02/02/09 06:49 PM)
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#415322 - 02/03/09 04:15 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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HI Kahless

May I suggest what I did. When I started questioning some of my JJJ's real life applications, I joined an MMA club and figured out what worked. OK, there's gloves, groin guards and rules but it's a fair simulation. My sensei would argue that 'in the street' JJJ works because there's always a weakener, such as a pressure point strike, groin kick etc., but I'd rather have a technique I know can work on a resisting opponent. Plus I've seen guys after a few drinks take a shot to the groin and not have much effect. What I realised whilst doing MMA that the throws I could use on the mat were of the Judo type, i.e. 4 or 5 solid favourites such as O Soto Gari. Anything fancy or stuff that required a certain leg forwards and so on went straight in the bin.

I continue to have the highest respect for JJJ but there are now certain elements I almost disregard and some I use religiously.
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#415323 - 02/03/09 12:34 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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To answer your question, JJJ is fine for street defence, but not good for street fighting. If your JJJ class doesn't spar, then supplement your training with Judo. At some point I would also do some boxing to get a sense of what it is like to get punched in the face and to learn how to move despite it.

--Chris


Edited by Ames (02/03/09 12:35 PM)
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#415324 - 03/19/09 01:48 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
fileboy2002 Offline
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Ju Jitsu is one of the most real-world applicable martials arts their is. Whoever told you that was lying, kidding, or just plain wrong.

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#415325 - 03/19/09 10:50 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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Jujitsu like any fighting disclipine is applicable in a street fight, the system is not at question but how you apply it and who you are fighting is.

For example if you freez nothing will work until after you wake up and prepare for the next time. If you purposely pull guard on a good wrestler or a person good at ground & pound you may have done the wrong thing. If you are intent on grabbing miss and catch a right hand that drops you, you may be in deep trouble. All in all Jujitsu techniques are just as competent as any fighting disclipine it how you apply them that is the X factor. Its not what you train in it how hard you train it. You make your Art it does not make you. JJ covers most ranges.

A good JJ man is kick a$$ in a street fight. Generally speaking.


Edited by Neko456 (03/19/09 10:53 AM)
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