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#415316 - 01/30/09 09:43 PM Is it practical for the street?
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I have been told several times by different people that Ju Jitsu isn't practical for street defense. I always thought it would be amazing in that regard. What are your thoughts?

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#415317 - 01/31/09 12:53 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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Kahless

For a guy that benchs what you do and is as large and strong as you are....pretty much ANYTHING is going to work ok for you.

But really the best answer here is....."depends on how good you are."

If you suck then pretty much nothing is going to work "on the street" or anywhere else.
If your any good....things to work well much more often.

Assumeing of course that you don't run into someone bigger, stronger AND "better" than you are.


Edited by cxt (01/31/09 12:54 AM)
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#415318 - 01/31/09 12:30 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: cxt]
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#415319 - 02/01/09 06:09 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: BrianS]
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That makes sense. I guess what I am asking is that since a lot of these take downs seem to involve your knees slamming into the mat -and again I am new so forgive me if I am wrong- would that kill your knees if you try that on pavement?

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#415320 - 02/01/09 09:44 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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I guess what I am asking is that since a lot of these take downs seem to involve your knees slamming into the mat -and again I am new so forgive me if I am wrong- would that kill your knees if you try that on pavement?





You could be hurt by OTHER things on the street, such as by something your opponent does, rather than something you do to yourself.

People have differing opinions regarding the takedowns that are better for the street. Personally, I favor upper-body wrestling takedowns that are more low-risk, in that they don't leave you in bad positions should they fail. Many of them involve the saying of, "'we' land on 'you'" - in that your opponent acts that the landing pad. You lower the risk of being hurt when attempting these. Of course, if you're worried about injuring yourself as a result of your own actions in a street fight, you should probably avoid fighting altogether as that's just the wrong attitude to take (kind of like people worrying about breaking their hands in a street fight). You treat your injuries afterward. In a real fight, you commit everything you have and leave the rest to "God", chance and fate bro.

Now the takedowns that I'm speaking of are mostly from wrestling, but the same applies to virtually any throwing art. There will be a select few that you'll probably gravitate to the most over the course of your training. You will spend a lot of time practicing and training those throws. Over that time, you'll develop a depth of knowledge which within that, will enable you to develop a feel for that which will basically keep you safe. There's no shortcut. Experience matters.

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#415321 - 02/02/09 06:48 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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They land that way BECAUSE they have a mat----if they didn't they would land differently....maybe even use a different throw.....like Jkogas says above...maybe they would simply standind grapple.

Nothing to "forgive"......its just that what you see on tapes/vids or watching a class are generally much less formal and rigid than you think.

Look at it like a football quaterback----he only has a couple of ways the can throw a football and only a few ways he can run------and EVERYBODY coming at him knows this---yet a decent QB does all sorts of unexpected things with the limited actions he has.......martial arts are kinda the same......you really only as limited as your level of skill and imgenation.


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#415322 - 02/03/09 04:15 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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HI Kahless

May I suggest what I did. When I started questioning some of my JJJ's real life applications, I joined an MMA club and figured out what worked. OK, there's gloves, groin guards and rules but it's a fair simulation. My sensei would argue that 'in the street' JJJ works because there's always a weakener, such as a pressure point strike, groin kick etc., but I'd rather have a technique I know can work on a resisting opponent. Plus I've seen guys after a few drinks take a shot to the groin and not have much effect. What I realised whilst doing MMA that the throws I could use on the mat were of the Judo type, i.e. 4 or 5 solid favourites such as O Soto Gari. Anything fancy or stuff that required a certain leg forwards and so on went straight in the bin.

I continue to have the highest respect for JJJ but there are now certain elements I almost disregard and some I use religiously.
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#415323 - 02/03/09 12:34 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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To answer your question, JJJ is fine for street defence, but not good for street fighting. If your JJJ class doesn't spar, then supplement your training with Judo. At some point I would also do some boxing to get a sense of what it is like to get punched in the face and to learn how to move despite it.

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#415324 - 03/19/09 01:48 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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Ju Jitsu is one of the most real-world applicable martials arts their is. Whoever told you that was lying, kidding, or just plain wrong.

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#415325 - 03/19/09 10:50 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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Jujitsu like any fighting disclipine is applicable in a street fight, the system is not at question but how you apply it and who you are fighting is.

For example if you freez nothing will work until after you wake up and prepare for the next time. If you purposely pull guard on a good wrestler or a person good at ground & pound you may have done the wrong thing. If you are intent on grabbing miss and catch a right hand that drops you, you may be in deep trouble. All in all Jujitsu techniques are just as competent as any fighting disclipine it how you apply them that is the X factor. Its not what you train in it how hard you train it. You make your Art it does not make you. JJ covers most ranges.

A good JJ man is kick a$$ in a street fight. Generally speaking.


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#415326 - 03/19/09 03:49 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Neko456]
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The system can indeed be a question.

In theory, any MA can prepare you for a violent encounter. In reality, some systems tend to prepare you better than others.

This is not because the systems themselves are necessarily "better." Rather, it is because the key to fighting prowess is regular practice against actively resisiting opponents under realistic conditions. Some arts tend to feature this type of training more than others--AND YES, I KNOW THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS!!!

More often than not, so-called "alive" training is part of the ju jitsu cirriculum, making it a pretty practical art.

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#415327 - 03/19/09 08:14 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: fileboy2002]
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More often than not, so-called "alive" training is part of the ju jitsu cirriculum, making it a pretty practical art.




Hmmm, we must have different experiance's, I guess. I've found most Japanese Jujutsu to have little-to-no 'alive' training whatsoever. BJJ and 'sport' jiujitsu is another story, of course, so maybe that is what you mean? But no, most JJJ, or most 'non-sport', 'real world s.d.' type jiujitsu systems I've seen or tried have had almost no alive element at all.

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#415328 - 03/21/09 02:19 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Ames]
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Wow--that is surprising.

However, what I know about jujitsu I learned from people I do judo with, so it is possible their experiences with jujitsu were atypical.

Too bad.

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#415329 - 03/21/09 11:41 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: fileboy2002]
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So then Japanese Jujutsu isn't very practical for street defense? I really dont want to sink time and money into something that is a lot of fancy fluff.

Just last week a friend of mine who has a brown belt in karate and also does tae kwon do, told me that my weight training doesn't make any difference in a fight. I disagreed of course and argues that because I can deadlift 405 lbs., I can basically pick you up and throw you into a wall. So we went to his basement where he has some practice mats, and all kinds of other weird things that I did not know what they were, and sparred. He tried doing a few kicks which I could see a mile away and had no trouble blocking (I have a little boxing experience), and then I rushed him and grabbed a hiold of his waist, picked him up on my shoulders and slammed him into the ground. It knocked the wind out of him and he couldn't even talk. Now I know that if I had have tried that to a very well trained fighter in an EFFECTIVE art, I would have had my ass handed to me probably, but it seems to me that if I knew somehting like jujitsu, I would be even deadlier at close range.

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#415330 - 03/22/09 01:10 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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So then Japanese Jujutsu isn't very practical for street defense? I really dont want to sink time and money into something that is a lot of fancy fluff.

Just last week a friend of mine who has a brown belt in karate and also does tae kwon do, told me that my weight training doesn't make any difference in a fight. I disagreed of course and argues that because I can deadlift 405 lbs., I can basically pick you up and throw you into a wall. So we went to his basement where he has some practice mats, and all kinds of other weird things that I did not know what they were, and sparred. He tried doing a few kicks which I could see a mile away and had no trouble blocking (I have a little boxing experience), and then I rushed him and grabbed a hiold of his waist, picked him up on my shoulders and slammed him into the ground. It knocked the wind out of him and he couldn't even talk. Now I know that if I had have tried that to a very well trained fighter in an EFFECTIVE art, I would have had my ass handed to me probably, but it seems to me that if I knew somehting like jujitsu, I would be even deadlier at close range.




Not really, being that much bigger and stronger than most people is an enormous advantage, even against skilled fighters. IMO it would take someone damn good to nullify your size and strength advantage. Obviously you will be that much stronger with good training.

It seems like you know enough to judge what is real technique and what is not...use your judgement and common sense, along with an understanding of just what YOU want to learn.

People don't like to admit this, but it is true. The real test of whether or not what they do works on "t3h str33t" is whether or not they can get away from someone like you with designs on hurting them...not whether they can dominate you. Just my opinion though, obviously.

on t3h str33t...Not losing is much more important than winning.

P.S. There is some Koryu JJ that rolls and uses some forms of "live training" though most not on the same level as modern combat sports, it's not unheard of.

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#415331 - 03/22/09 06:43 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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Kahless

Like Zach and Ames said, Koryu arts usually don't have any sparring in them.

BJJ on the other hand has lots and lots of sparring (aka rolling).

If it isn't one of the above, chances are it is what I call "New Jitsu" or "Western Ju Jitsu". This could be abosolutely anything.

For example, in your other thread on here you ask about a place that, in your own words:

"It says CHOKUSHIN, which apparently is the integration of Daito-Ryu Aiki-jutsu, Kito-ryu Jujutsu, and Tenshin Shinyo-Ryu Jujutsu"

There are only 2 places in the World that teach Kito-Ryu outside of Japan, one in the UK, one in Australia. The chances of these people studying/teaching Kito Ryu is HIGHLY unlikely unless you live in London or Sydney.

In addition, there are less than 60 authentic Daito-Ryu teachers outside of Japan. Again, you would have to be incredibly lucky to find a genuine teacher in this art.

Now, Tenshin Shinyo-Ryu and Kito-Ryu are systems Jirgo Kano used to devise Judo. Daito-Ryu was a major influence on Aikido.

It seems to me that place is teaching a mish-mash of Judo & Aikido, with some striking (which I will bet good money is some sort of kickboxing/karate type striking) and dressing it up as some sort of traditional super-samauri system.

The instructor of the above club should be able to very specifically tell you WHO, WHAT and WHERE they studied with and for HOW long. If you get vague answers, chances are they aren't being honest about what it is they teach.

Frankly I would be amazed if ANYONE had studied Kito-Ryu, Tenshin Shindo Ryu and Daito-Ryu, mastered them all, and was now teaching them + some "cool bada$$ striking".

What is more likely to be the case (based on my experience and that of others) is that these people have studied a bit of Judo, and bit of Aikido, some striking, and packaged it as some sort of traditional Koryu system to reel in Samauri fantasists. I've seen it a 100 times before.

All that said, if you like the class and what it teaches, knock yourself out (not literally!). As long as you enjoy it, does it really matter if it is an authentic Japanese martial art? Of course there is a question about the deceptive nature of the people running the class passing it off as a traditional Japanese system, but it is for you to determine whether they are good people to learn from.

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#415332 - 03/22/09 09:10 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Zach_Zinn]
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on t3h str33t...Not losing is much more important than winning.





Absolutely right on.

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#415333 - 03/22/09 02:46 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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Kahless,

I think your friend ended up getting the worst of it for two reasons. First, TKD and karate tend to do a poor job of teaching grappling (YES I KNOW THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS!!!).

But more importantly, it sounds like the size/strength disparity between you and your friend is just too large. Contrary to what he says, size and strength do mattter--A LOT--and you cannot change the laws of physics.

To put it another way: have a 5'2", 130 lb. black belt judoka face off agsinst a 6'7" 350lb. longshoreman, and it is the judoka who needs to worry.

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#424035 - 12/14/09 06:35 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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It depends on a number of things, and I am not trying to insult anyone or give offense in any way, I am speaking from personal experience.
First off it depends on how you deal with stress, and then on how fit you are both mentally and physically.
Then it depends on what type of Ju-Jitsu et.al you are doing.
I have seen virtually all there is out there as regards Ju-Jitsu and all the varied names it goes under.
The proper term if it is a genuine Ryu is Ju-Jutsu, Jitsu is just a bastardization of the actual term.
I will say if you are training in Ju-Jutsu very definitely yes, it is effective in the street.
I have used it in my profession for nigh on 40 years, and it is only when you have to use it every day of your life you find out what is and is not 'real' about the Martial Art you practice.
The effectiveness [or not] of the Style or school you have chosen will depend on what it was designed for, and from.
Most Ju-Jitsu I have seen [I use that term specifically] is nothing to do with Traditional or Classical Ju-Jutsu, and owes more to Olympic Judo, AikiDo and boxing, with a little spot gymnastics thrown in, than to any real interpretation of the actual Art of Ju-jutsu.
it is fun to do basic self defense and taught in a nice glitzy package.
Ju-Jitsu is like everything in the Martial Arts, you have the good and the bad, and then the truly awful.
If you want practical street effective Ju-Jitsu then you are going to have to shop around, most of it is geared towards sport, and sport wont cut it in the street despite the claims to the contrary.
If the Style you choose teaches weapons such as the Ken, the Bo, and the So then you have a Traditional style Dojo.
But let me tell you this, in the street it is not about the Style or the Art you train in, because there is no such thing as a 'best' Martial Art.
There is what suits the individual, this is why there are different Arts, and every Art has a specific purpose.
There is the best man within the Style, and if the Style or System suits them and they train diligently then they can excel.
Both within and outside the confines of their chosen Art.
But there are also what is known as Dojo Dragons, and these are people who can whip the pants off anyone in the Dojo, and wet themselves with fright when attacked in the street.
The street is a whole different world, and what may seem logical in the Dojo can be made a nonsense in the street.
Ju-Jutsu was developed for war, by people whose lives depended upon it, why should it be any different today?
Ju-Jitsu taught Western style can be anything you want it to be if you are teaching.
I never cease to be amazed at why people think the old Arts are ineffective in the modern day.
A blow to a point five hundred years ago, will have the same effect as the same blow struck today, we are still human, some of us anyway, and very prone to injury.
Sorry about rambling on, but its just me getting old and decrepit.

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#424168 - 12/28/09 05:47 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: dapatch]
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I teach japanese Jiu Jitsu and can say that what I teach is definetly street effective, having had to use it on a number of occasions, as well as my students coming to me with their own stories.A good school will cover most situations such as knife or club attacks, single and multiple opponent attacks and most importantly, the varying degree of attacks and opponent differences. We cover attacks by a larger opponent, one wearing heavy clothes, fighting in your everyday clothes instead of a gi. Attacks from a seat or table and much more. To simply practice in a gi or shorts in a ring is not learning self defense but sport. I feel you must ready your student for any situation.As you stated, stress training is also invaluable. Just my 2 cents.

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#424170 - 12/28/09 09:27 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: mukashimantis]
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Without contact sparring, I'd say most Ma's are innefective.

Nothing else could come close to preparing you for the adrenaline shock of a real fight, confidence in the power of your striking, confidence and effectiveness in your defenses and both of those go even more so for the more intricate moves in JJ, AKD, HKD etc as no one is just going to stand still and stop punching / kicking you as you try and put your wrist lock or whatever on them.

Also you need to get used to the feel of what and how it is like to attack an apponant and attempt to get the better of them.

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#424174 - 12/29/09 07:42 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: dongdwaeji]
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Without contact sparring, I'd say most Ma's are innefective.


Couldn't agree more. Without resistance, most martial arts training is worthless.
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#424191 - 12/30/09 06:19 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: MattJ]
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I've always thought that the effectiveness of the studio techniques may depend partly on the element of surprise.

If, for instance, you were at a political rally and someone next to you pulled a gun and pointed it at the stage, he's not paying attention to you at all. Any MA moves you choose may be highly effective in taking him down quickly. (This, BTW, is why the Secret Service trains in Aikido.)

If, on the other hand, you are approached on the street by an attacker, you have no such advantage and will probably have to resort to less elegant measures.
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#424193 - 12/30/09 10:02 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kathryn]
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That's a fair, point, Kathryn. I agree that the element of surprise can amke anything more effective, especially if you are pre-empting the opponent.

I was referring more to situations where the opponent is focused on and motivated against you.
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#424200 - 12/31/09 09:54 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Kahless]
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Originally Posted By: Kahless
So then Japanese Jujutsu isn't very practical for street defense? I really dont want to sink time and money into something that is a lot of fancy fluff.

Just last week a friend of mine who has a brown belt in karate and also does tae kwon do, told me that my weight training doesn't make any difference in a fight. I disagreed of course and argues that because I can deadlift 405 lbs., I can basically pick you up and throw you into a wall. So we went to his basement where he has some practice mats, and all kinds of other weird things that I did not know what they were, and sparred. He tried doing a few kicks which I could see a mile away and had no trouble blocking (I have a little boxing experience), and then I rushed him and grabbed a hiold of his waist, picked him up on my shoulders and slammed him into the ground. It knocked the wind out of him and he couldn't even talk. Now I know that if I had have tried that to a very well trained fighter in an EFFECTIVE art, I would have had my ass handed to me probably, but it seems to me that if I knew somehting like jujitsu, I would be even deadlier at close range.



Just a couple of thoughts,

First,
The fact that you could see your friend’s kicks a mile away raises some questions as to just how good your friend really is.

Second,
One should really find this disturbing, the fact that your friend could not avoid you grabbing and affectively holding his wrists should raise some flags, even many untrained fighters can avoid this through instinctive moves.


Lastly,
How seriously you two were willing to take this experiment would also determine what your friend would / could do to avoid you from effectively rushing him and using your size and strength advantage. There are many techniques that could have been applied that you may not have been able to recover from, at least not fast enough before another one was applied.

All I am trying to say is that with your size and strength you do have a considerable advantage over most persons walking this earth. You are already the average Joes worst nightmare. However, be careful in your assessment of that advantage, there are many ways that a well trained person could have minimized or even take away that advantage and they would not be pretty or painless, I just do not think that your friend may be the correct person to judge this by.

Good luck with your training.

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#424256 - 01/04/10 08:01 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: dongdwaeji]
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Without contact sparring, I'd say most Ma's are innefective.

Nothing else could come close to preparing you for the adrenaline shock of a real fight, confidence in the power of your striking, confidence and effectiveness in your defenses and both of those go even more so for the more intricate moves in JJ, AKD, HKD etc as no one is just going to stand still and stop punching / kicking you as you try and put your wrist lock or whatever on them.

Also you need to get used to the feel of what and how it is like to attack an apponant and attempt to get the better of them.
Yeah. But I think it's really only important for beginners. I know most professional sportsmen do a lot of sparring, but I really can't be fu**ed...

When you first start learning MA, you need to spar to understand what the pressure and speed of a real fight may be like, and to display to yourself how little time you have to do all this sh*t you've learned. But after a couple of years of your style, to continue sparring really is personal preferance, I think.

Frankly, I'm sick of getting injuries and having to take time off training due to stupid training partners. It just isn't worth it anymore. I've got my reaction and tricks nailed, and don't need to practice them sparring anymore. All I really need to do now is maintain my fitness and power training bags and pads and exercises.

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#424403 - 01/16/10 01:42 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Ninja Master]
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Any martial art can prove to be effective in a street encounter. It really depends on several factors :
1. Has the student engaged in practical sparring? Contact is vital. You don't want the 1st time you have to absorb a punch to be on the street. There is a mental and physical adjustment you must make to contact.
2. Have you learned, applied, and repeatedly drilled the target areas that are available most frequently and are you mentally ready to damage someone? If you cannot locate a target under duress and strike with power then what you practice in the school is of little real world value.
3. Speaking of duress - have you practiced what you've learned under pressure. Repeating technique is fantastic for muscle memory, but can you execute at night, in a crowded room, on a slick surface, etc? Introducing scenario based stress training is truly an important proving ground for your style's effectiveness on the street.
4. Are you drilling and retaining the most important basics? Trying to recall complicated kata and multi step patterns in the heat of battle is unlikely for most people. Have you eliminated the flowery stuff from your self defense training and concentrated on the nuts and bolts of the combat portion of your style? Most systems, even very traditional ones vary greatly in sparring and application from training.
Thanks.
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#427424 - 05/27/10 07:20 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Neko456]
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#427468 - 06/01/10 02:03 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Neko456]
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Ju-jitsu is a "complete" martial art that includes all of the elements of Karate (striking), Judo (throws and grappling), Aikido (joint locks), and so much more. Because of this, jujitsu is more easily adapted for modern street situations than any other style of martial art. In other words, jujitsu provide you with more tools to work with and thus considered to be the world’s most powerful tools for self-defense.

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#427841 - 06/20/10 04:26 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Neko456]
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If you're good at ju jutsu then you will be able to defend yourself.

Someone who is good at mmma will defend himself.

Someone else who is good at kung fu can defend himself.

My point is, that the technique is not everything. Very much depends on the person who is practicing. If he is good at what he is doing, then he is going to defend himself. Strength, weight, speed and stamina are important as well.
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#427852 - 06/20/10 02:59 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: John Steczko]
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I got a look at this months "Fight Magazine", and they have an article about 'underrated' martial arts. On that list was included krav maga, which I will also agree doesn't get a lot of press. Most reputable street-based self defense programs taught to women, however, are based in krav maga.
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#427904 - 06/23/10 09:31 PM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: John Steczko]
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Ahhh, the mythical "The Str33t", where we learn what arts are truly effective. 'Course, the most effective system is a good pair of eyes and a good sense of danger that lets you avoid most things.

Having said that, having gone through a really stupid phase where I put myself in dangerous places just to see... being bigger and obviously stronger than the other guy helps a lot. Coupled that with a calm attitude and most things can be dealt with without the need for physical confrontation.

Euge

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I see commander nitro again...

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#428858 - 08/05/10 07:32 AM Re: Is it practical for the street? [Re: Neko456]
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Originally Posted By: Neko456
Jujitsu like any fighting disclipine is applicable in a street fight, the system is not at question but how you apply it and who you are fighting is.

For example if you freez nothing will work until after you wake up and prepare for the next time. If you purposely pull guard on a good wrestler or a person good at ground & pound you may have done the wrong thing. If you are intent on grabbing miss and catch a right hand that drops you, you may be in deep trouble. All in all Jujitsu techniques are just as competent as any fighting disclipine it how you apply them that is the X factor. Its not what you train in it how hard you train it. You make your Art it does not make you. JJ covers most ranges.


Totally agree.
Also, In my view traditional jujitsu mixed with techniques for self defense on the streets will be a lot more effective.
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