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#415016 - 01/27/09 02:35 AM wristlocks
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I love wristlocks. I only have 1 (that i hit sparring) right now but i'm expanding my game. Is it just me or is this part of the game ignored? why do u think they is? Will wristlocks be the new craze in a few years like leglocks a while back? I do. Your thoughts.

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#415017 - 01/27/09 08:28 AM Re: wristlocks [Re: Rainbowtiger]
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We used them fairly often in JKD, and they were pretty reliable for me. Don't use them that often in BJJ, but every now and then a failed armbar attempt ends with a wristlock.
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#415018 - 01/27/09 08:32 AM Re: wristlocks [Re: MattJ]
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Always found them tricky against a truly resisting opponent, especially as I haven't got the biggest hands in the world. Plus with grappling gloves on, they become even harder to apply. I tend to favour them to put an added dimension on a submission, i.e. keylock.

Research and practice always guides me and when you look at MMA stats of successful submissions, you have your triangles and armbars and so on but very very few mentions of wristlocks
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#415019 - 01/27/09 08:44 AM Re: wristlocks [Re: NewJitsu]
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I don't think that wristlocks are allowed in most MMA comps, but I'm not certain.
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#415020 - 01/27/09 09:26 AM Re: wristlocks [Re: MattJ]
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The larger the joint, the easier it is to isolate and control. The wrist being somewhat smaller just makes it that much harder to manipulate.

Plus probably the fact that its at the end of the limb, farthest away from the trunk that makes it harder to manipulate as well. You have to control the entire arm to hit a wristlock. Going for a lock of that type without positional control (plus control of the elbow) will result in failure.

Whenever I've used them, it's been from a top position, like the S-Mount.

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#415021 - 01/27/09 09:44 AM Re: wristlocks [Re: MattJ]
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Quote:

I don't think that wristlocks are allowed in most MMA comps, but I'm not certain.




they are allowed, just seldom seen. small joint manipulations are not allowed, so no messing with those fingers...

have just finished reading Chuck Liddell's autobiography and at the back there is a handy list of the rules of UFC. I didn't know your corner is not allowed to throw in the towel, for example.

But I digress. in summary, I see a lot more wristlocks in my JJJ class than in my MMA. That's where the oft-trodden subject of resistance / aliveness comes into it. But we've all been there many times before....
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#415022 - 01/27/09 11:33 AM Re: wristlocks [Re: NewJitsu]
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Like joint manipulation but John gave an excellent explanation. I have used a few in grappling but were not well received by some which made me think they were not apart of the game. Ones I enjoy more are using the ground and sometimes their own body weight to fold back their wrist.
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#415023 - 01/27/09 12:34 PM Re: wristlocks [Re: Dereck]
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I use them a lot. But Dereck is right, a lot of folks call them 'cheap', which I think is b.s., as you should learn how to avoid them. Using the ground or body weight, especially by weighting the torso, helps to trap the arm and start the lock. I've also had good success using them to break grips and set something else up. They do take practice though.

As far as I know, wrist locks are allowed in competition, as they are not considered a 'small joint'. However, it should be noted that often if the wrist lock fails, or someone is about to wiggle out of it, the fingers tend to present themselves nicely.

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#415024 - 01/27/09 03:44 PM Re: wristlocks [Re: Ames]
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all the wrist locks I know involve having a pretty strong grip on the flesh of the hand near the fingers, so they would not only be hard to do with mma gloves, but as stated earlier, the fingers are made pretty available, especially since the mma gloves expose them so nicely.

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#415025 - 01/27/09 08:34 PM Re: wristlocks [Re: MattyChi]
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its true wristlocks are near impossible in MMA because the gloves reinforce the wrist. I find wristlocks are best as option 2 submissions from a shoulder lock positions. My favorite is off the kimura just flip your hand and its there. Really nice if you got an opponent with flexible shoulders. Because of this flow wristlocks actually set themselves up its just a matter of elbow control. As far as wristlocks being "cheap" wristlocks fall under the same category as every other arm attack if you let me control your elbow i'm pulling something it's your responsibility to defend what's thrown at you. So thats BS.

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