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#413330 - 03/14/09 10:30 PM Re: wing chun punches [Re: donchisau]
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I think when done properly the differences between wc punches and any other punch are drastic (with the exception of mantis of course).

If you're truly center lined there's no way you can throw a punch and have your head exposed for a shot. Your on guard should always be ready for incomings unless your opponent is bridged, tangled or unconscious.
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#413331 - 03/14/09 10:36 PM Re: wing chun punches [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Here's an example of how to put power behind the square stance. Note that you DO have to move it to make it work -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbA0S0byQpE




That was gross. To me, nothing about that shows me it's Wing Chun. The essence of the art has been completely watered. Where's the center line? Where's the internal power? Where's the root?
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#413332 - 03/15/09 01:07 AM Re: wing chun punches [Re: SifuHax]
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Are you kidding? Just because it doesn't look like boxing robots, you don't think it's WC?
That is the square stepping that Ip Ching teaches. I think you'd be pretty arrogant to make an argument with the VTAA.

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#413333 - 03/15/09 02:04 AM Re: wing chun punches [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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boxing robots?

how is that square stepping? His whole shoulder crosses his center. A huge no no in WC.

Why would I have to be arrogant? Perhaps I see something that you might not. Perhaps I am just a human that's been moved emotionally by an outside source. and that movement was bowel.

From what I saw, I don't like his art.
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#413334 - 03/15/09 01:44 PM Re: wing chun punches [Re: SifuHax]
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Ok, square stepping is my lame way of saying moving the high horse stance from one point to another, instead of using the pivot stance, thus generating more fa jing with the punch.
The punches/shoulder do not cross the centerline - they extend FROM it - I think what you're seeing is the camera angle. What this is is how you would attack an opponent from an ANGLE, not straight on. Obviously if it were straight on, it would be a different punch. This type of footwork is to immediately and forcefully occupy another's center and knock them out or back.
Besides, you should never say anything is a 'no no' if you don't know whether it works. You said yourself that you are inexperienced.
Rigid adherence to form only gets you so far. Most WC people are afraid to see their technique get ugly, but that's what happens in a fight - hence the 'boxing robots' comment.
I wish I could explain this punch to you better, but you would have to be standing in front of it.

Oh, and with all respect - watch with the insults. That's my teacher, who has more real experience with this art than most and we pressure tested our material at that school all the time.
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#413335 - 03/15/09 04:16 PM Re: wing chun punches [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Interesting, that looks a lot like some Xing Yi I've seen. Is there some cross pollination going on here, or is it just coincidental?

Also, I really like the body mechanics of that clip, I don't really know what others are talking about him not getting power from the ground there. It's pretty clear to be that that is EXACTLY where it is coming from. This is MUCH better than most any Wing Chun clip I've ever seen. Have anymore?

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#413336 - 03/15/09 11:06 PM Re: wing chun punches [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Rigid adherence to form only gets you so far.




What's that supposed to mean? The first form will take as far as you need. Adherence to your first form is all you need to win any fight.

My girlfriend wants to spend time with me I'll be back to finish my post.

Most importantly, I'm sorry for insulting you. I just have an unusual descriptive way of expressing myself. I don't mean to insult.
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#413337 - 03/16/09 01:43 AM Re: wing chun punches [Re: SifuHax]
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can you elaborate on "high horse" and "pivot" stance? I haven't heard these terminologies.

Instead of punching all the way across like that, why not just chop? It's in the first form.

It is (and I stress is) a no no to have your elbow cross your center, let alone your shoulder. Throws your balance off and leaves your armpit exposed. A punch so extended is susceptible to a broken arm at the elbow.

Again, my bad on my "gross" comment. I'm sure your Sifu can kick ass. Anyone who really practices Wing Chun can.
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#413338 - 03/16/09 02:43 AM Re: wing chun punches [Re: SifuHax]
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What's that supposed to mean? The first form will take as far as you need. Adherence to your first form is all you need to win any fight.





Uh boy. I'm out.

Ames - mjwingchun.org for more vids.

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#413339 - 03/16/09 04:12 PM Re: wing chun punches [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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Ames,
I thought the same thing about the vid. Looks a little bit like Pao Quan from the 5 elements to me.

RE: The first form will take as far as you need. Adherence to your first form is all you need to win any fight.


Forms are for training the body and rarely are visible in a real fight. The principle embeded within can be evident, but no fight I have ever seen looked like a form.
I used to think that forms alone would lead me to being a decent figter, now I know better.
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