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#413300 - 12/25/08 06:40 AM wing chun punches
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after a couple of years training in wing chun i,m beginning to think that there arenot many significant differences between wing chun punching and boxing punches. also that different punches (uppercut, hook, etc) can be incorperated into wing chun. any opinions on this in terms of body mechanics, use of energy,types of punch, etc.

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#413301 - 12/25/08 05:39 PM Re: wing chun punches [Re: staticman]
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Bingo. The only major difference is the vertical or horizontal knuckles. I personally like the vertical because the striking surface is bigger and I find it easier to fire from out of position, or when your arm is away from your body. Other than that, both require an absence of telegraphing and use of the waist and tricep to deliver a powerful, snappy and efficient punch. The rest is semantics.

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#413302 - 12/25/08 05:43 PM Re: wing chun punches [Re: staticman]
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i'm sure their might be some abstract similarities, but i'm gonna have to say thats a huge negative. there are so many obvious differences in the two systems, from training methods to application that i would not say they have similar punching at all.

just for example take how bruce lee changed his punching method DRASTICLY after he studied western boxing and kick boxing. wing chun dosen't get as much "hip" or core twist behind their punches opting for a straight blast kind of approach.

a member of the forum, JKogas would be able to explain the bxing side of it much better.

all punching methods have things in commen fundementally, but thats as far as it goes i think.
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#413303 - 12/25/08 05:46 PM Re: wing chun punches [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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or i could be completly wrong, haha.
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#413304 - 12/26/08 10:05 AM Re: wing chun punches [Re: student_of_life]
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I've used vertical and horizontal. I still mix them up, depending on what my goals are.

One thing for sure however, when I am punching with power (and thus more commitment, I always corkscrew my fist over (horizontally) until the little finger is up slightly and the thumb is down.

Another thing is that I tend to use the horizontal fist much more than I do the vertical fist because I am more protected against counter punching. Try as you might, you can't bring your shoulder up high when throwing with the vertical punch. Your head tends to stay up higher and more vulnerable, and there is more of a gap over the elbow of the punching arm straight in to your face. It's easy to slip a counter strike straight over a vertical punch.

Like I said though, I mix the two up depending on what I'm doing. Sometimes the vertical punch can slip through defenses easier, allowing for a good counter strike itself. Just depends.

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#413305 - 12/26/08 10:35 AM Re: wing chun punches [Re: JKogas]
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I agree with JKogas. The biggest difference that I have seen is the elbow position. Boxing punches do a somewhat better job of covering the head in transit, due to the elbow-up position (which also forces a horizontal knuckle orienatation).

I do use verticals quite often, though. They seem not to telegraph quite as much, and can offer good power as long as the other basic punching mechanics (hip torque, weight transfer, joint alignment, etc) are maintained.
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#413306 - 12/26/08 01:23 PM Re: wing chun punches [Re: student_of_life]
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wing chun dosen't get as much "hip" or core twist behind their punches opting for a straight blast kind of approach




This is totally untrue, no offense. The reason you see a lack of hip power in wing chun punches is due to poor wing chun, or at least a misunderstanding. If you can find it, check out Ip Ching demonstrating his punches with footwork - I would argue that it looks almost like too much hip (although it really isn't).

The point about the shoulder jkogas made is right though, and I kind of forgot about that. In WC you don't use the shoulder hardly at all.

I guess it depends on how you look at it - I've studied both and have found so much more fundamental similarity than difference. And they have become very interchangeable.

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#413307 - 12/26/08 02:33 PM Re: wing chun punches [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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my point comes from what i've seen. i don't mean it to be gospel, lol. mainly, from what i've seen is that they tend to keep their hips "suare on" to their target. i don't mean it to be a critisim, hell we use a similat method in my karate training. i understand its merrit.
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#413308 - 12/26/08 08:41 PM Re: wing chun punches [Re: student_of_life]
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Oh I see. Yeah, the STANCE is definitely squared off, even in a side stance, but the PUNCH uses the hip. Kind of like a wind/unwind motion. Basically getting the whole body into the punch without losing speed or knocking yourself off balance. The problem is most WC students practice at a kiddie-hill level and never put any power in when they strike eachother, thus developing the squared off, ridiculously rigid straight punch pitter-patter stuff that you see so much. I'm not talking about 'chain punching' - that's a whole different thing - but the basic centerline punch. It should be the best technique a WC fighter has, IMHO.

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#413309 - 12/27/08 12:20 PM Re: wing chun punches [Re: ShikataGaNai]
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center line punching is such a good concept that i think it goes beyond any one style or method, it just works wounders to take the structure and ballance away from your target.
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