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#413241 - 03/27/09 05:22 PM Re: Matsumura Seito Kata and Kumite Clip [Re: RedRider]
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I remember it well. He took two of our biggest baddest black belts (obviously I was not one of them), fought them at the same time, and pretty much wiped the floor with them.
He was very impressive.

Duane

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#413242 - 04/06/09 04:56 PM Re: Matsumura Seito Kata and Kumite Clip [Re: Olderman]
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there were actually a few ways to do hakutsuru being haned down. hohan soken didnt just teach kise the versions. there were numerous top students of his and for the longest time yuichi kuda was by his side. and not just kuda...many others. there were variations of hakutsuru... coming from shaolin and through names like gokenki. i am assuming everyone in this discussion is from a matsumura practitioner but i bet almost everyone of us do the kata diffenret. and american sensei, masters who teach matsumura karate, names alexander,lindsey,gillespie,etish and so on all do the stlye different. due to body structure and dynamics the way the kata is performed and practiced has changed overtime.
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#413243 - 04/17/09 01:34 PM Re: Matsumura Seito Kata and Kumite Clip [Re: djyates]
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Interesting points DJ. But not just American sensei all do kata differently. All of Soken sensei students do kata differently. Even the ones who did not train with anyone but Soken sensei.

My sensei was only a student of Soken sensei. Period. And his kata are different from other teacher's kata.

Interesting how kata changes or the applicatiion of kata changes.
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#413244 - 05/12/09 10:57 PM Re: Matsumura Seito Kata and Kumite Clip [Re: imperial_crane]
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i vistied your web site... i am confused on who your teacher was or is...and who his teacher was or is... did it all come from only o'sensei sokon or maye kuda sensei or kise sensei?
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#413245 - 05/13/09 03:46 PM Re: Matsumura Seito Kata and Kumite Clip [Re: djyates]
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Quote:

and american sensei, masters who teach matsumura karate, names alexander,lindsey,gillespie,etish and so on all do the stlye different. due to body structure and dynamics the way the kata is performed and practiced has changed overtime.




Fred Ettish would cringe at being called a "master". I don't know of anyone in Kuda Sensei's organization who does call themself "master".
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#413246 - 05/13/09 04:16 PM Re: Matsumura Seito Kata and Kumite Clip [Re: duanew]
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Fred Ettish, you say......?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwKPMEiiobk
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#413247 - 05/13/09 05:28 PM Re: Matsumura Seito Kata and Kumite Clip [Re: MattJ]
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Matt, I love it!

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#413248 - 05/14/09 06:28 AM Re: Matsumura Seito Kata and Kumite Clip [Re: MattJ]
duanew Offline
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Matt
Any videos of you actually fighting or do you just beat up 50 pound bags?

Duane

http://www.whaledog.com/2006/06/remarkable-fred-ettish-posts.php

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#413249 - 05/14/09 07:47 AM Re: Matsumura Seito Kata and Kumite Clip [Re: duanew]
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Matt
Any videos of you actually fighting or do you just beat up 50 pound bags?




I see you're no detective. And I beat up 100lb bags, smart guy.

BTW - How many forum folk have you trained with? Thought so.

Have a nice day.
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#413250 - 05/14/09 09:21 AM Re: Matsumura Seito Kata and Kumite Clip [Re: MattJ]
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[quote)

I see you're no detective. And I beat up 100lb bags, smart guy.


Have a nice day.




I guess the only video I have seen of you was you punching a bag-it's half the size of the one I use so I assumed it was a 50#-my mistake.
I assume you have videos of you based on your response-now are these fights involving punching and kicking or just grappling?
Did you post any where you lost? My point being judging someone by one loss, on one day is mistake if you want to judge there abilities. Suppose we looked at St.Pierre and Penn. If you looked only at the one fight (take your pick) you might come up with a different opinion of each ones ability.
I didn't realize that training with someone else on the forum was a requirement to post-Once again you are right, I am wrong, I am sorry. Does anyone live in Central Minnesota so we can train together so I can be allowed to post on the forum?
Signing off until I find a training partner, my apologies to all.

Duane

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