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#412890 - 01/08/09 05:37 AM Re: What is Budo/Bushido? [Re: Ames]
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Registered: 12/14/06
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Going back to the topic NewJitsu, why do you say that Budo is about peace and love? I'm actually interested to hear different takes on it. Perhaps you could fill out your thought a bit?


I guess I was being a little flippant when I said I interpreted 'budo' as being peace & love and all that. Although Japanese culture and history plays a part in the JJJ school where I train, it's more about technique developments than ethos. 'Budo', from my interpretation, was about respect - both for your fellow students and the art itself. I wandered into that e-budo website one day to find out more but found it very dull, I have to say. Arguments about lineage, etc etc. That's fine for some people, don;t get me wrong, but my eyes just glazed over. So I didn;t really give it much further thought. For 'bushido', however, that was much more my cup of tea. Fighting spirit, intent, commitment in a fighting / sparring situation. Bushido I apply to my MMA training, budo doesn't really come into it. But maybe that's to MMA's regret - I seem to encounter a lot of thugs and bullies in MMA. It usually doesn;t take long to get rid of them, but they watch UFC late night coming back from the pub and get the wrong impression. Anyway, I digress....
- Andy Trying to balance JJJ and MMA. And failing.

#412891 - 01/08/09 04:30 PM Re: What is Budo/Bushido? [Re: NewJitsu]
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Although there is really no wrong answer here, as this is about how or if the terms affect you outside the dojo, I just thought that a little clarification might be in order.

Actually, the terms Budo/Bushido aren't all the different from each other. Donn Draeger was the one who popularized the opposition between these terms in the West, but at this point the consensus is that it is a false dichotomy. In other words, some Koryu reffered to their philosphy as 'bushido' others as 'budo'. That's why I just put a slash (/) between them.

That being said, there is difference between 'Gendai Budo' and 'Koryu Bujutsu'. Gendai Budo here refers to an art that was created after the Meiji Restoration, whereas Koryu Bujutsu, refers to those that were created before it.

So in a way your not far off the mark. Gendai Budo is kind of about self defense and personal growth, whereas Koryu Bujutsu is directly concerned with killing your enemies (although there is a large body written about personal growth via the martial arts prior to the Meiji Restoration).

Finally, Budo as a philosophy isn't all that different from Bushido. The main difference, to somewhat over simplify it, would be that, for Bushido, the aim is personal growth to make you better on the battlefield. Whereas Budo is about personal growth for the sake of living an all around better, more introspective, life.

"Seek not to follow in the footsteps of the men of old; seek what they sought."

#412892 - 01/17/09 09:23 AM Re: What is Budo/Bushido? [Re: Ames]
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thanks ames for all these informaton. so bushido is more fighting and budo is more personal and inner, right? (kind of) ..

well i think one does not always go without the other. just as training for strength and training for size. no matter for which one of them you train, the other will increase too (maybe not in the exact % but there will be an increase).

i think following the bushido, in other word achieving personal growth to make you better in the battlefield, will also affect your everyday life and the way you live ur life.

the other way around i believe following the budo and living an all around better life will also make u better/stronger/or what so ever on the battleflied.

when the inner is stronger, the outter is too.

i dont know if one of these terms affects me outide the dojo. i practice MT. the only thing is that when i am outside the dojo i see the world with different eyes since i started MA. somehow i respect others more and i dont have to prove anything some anybody anymore since i know what i can do. i also have different ways of dealing with confrontations of any kind.

since the 1st time i did MT it was something that went right into my soul rather than just something i thought it was cool or looked great or will make me kick azz or something. for me it has some invisible spirit around it.

weird huh?

actually sounds a bit stupid doesnt it..? :/
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