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#411677 - 11/15/08 03:07 PM Re: UN warns of brown cloud threat [Re: bcihak]
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Bill, the level of denial you are showing is staggering. I am not going to get into a Global Warming debate with you, since I already done so in the thread link I posted, which you clearly haven't read. Which is also typical.

I will also not get into GW Bush's legacy as a president - the American people have spoken clearly in that regard.

The deniers do not have a leg to stand on unless you can come up with a comparably large, peer-reviewed study that refutes the IPCC report. But there isn't one, so all you folks can do is make knee-jerk, emotional, finger-pointing outbursts like the ones above, without a shred of fact to go with them.

I do feel sorry for you sir.
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#411678 - 11/15/08 04:09 PM Re: UN warns of brown cloud threat [Re: MattJ]
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Where is JohnL when you need him? I do believe his trademark statement could be put to good use here.
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#411679 - 11/15/08 04:46 PM Re: UN warns of brown cloud threat [Re: RazorFoot]
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Holy Right Wing nut Jobs Batman!

Imagine how he is going to react when someone explains to him the US Military is a Socialist Organization!
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#411680 - 11/15/08 04:55 PM Re: UN warns of brown cloud threat [Re: Kimo2007]
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MattJ. Your gullibility is really amazing but time will tell. Yes, the millitary is a socialist organization and from my experience with it I would rather that its socialist organization be kept in the millitary and not unleashed on civillians through restrictive government programs. And believe me when I say this, history will be far kinder to George Bush than the people of his time were. The new guy maybe not so much.
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#411681 - 11/15/08 05:09 PM Re: UN warns of brown cloud threat [Re: bcihak]
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Damn...one mention of the word socialism or liberal usually sends these guys into a meltdown...guess I'll have to find my fun elsewhere today.

PS...The whole Global Warming thing...that debate has been over for a long time, at least among people who are entitled to an opinion, you might want to find a new cause to rant about....just a thought.
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#411682 - 11/15/08 05:24 PM Re: UN warns of brown cloud threat [Re: bcihak]
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A couple of facts: the third world will try to use the global warming hoax to cripple the developed world and get the developed world to send them lots of cash. I really feel for the chinese as they use slave labor and one child policies to out compete the west. We have so much to admire them for.




They are only copying what Britain did at the time of the first industrial revolution- everything our 'civilised' societies have today come from the same exploitation tactics. Who are we, having gained so much from walking that path, to criticise the far east from treading in our footsteps?
Also, I would be careful about calling China and Asia in general '3rd world', because we are currently far behind them in finance, education and healthcare, not to mention crime and social problems.
It wont be long till the US/Europe partnership is no longer the alpha force in global affairs, and we had all better get used to that.

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And as to corporate whores, that comment is the last refuge of coolade drinkers around the world. The university research scientists are the real whores because they are willing to suck up tax dollars for fake research that is used to keep them and their jobs safe.




I work for Cambridge University, and can tell you that Research grants are far, far less lucrative than private sector employment. All who stay within academic life put back in by way of tutoring/lecturing undergrads- not out of altruism, but to supplement their incomes out of necessity.
They have chosen to stay in this environment to avoid pressure from outside investors/vested parties to come to predetermined conclusion.

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That whole the world is overpopulated concept is silly as well. We are not even close to being even remotely overpopulated.




Nonsense. Our 'natural' lifespan, as an organism, is around 40-50 years. Our scientific developments now mean that we live on average nearly twice that. We used to require large families as infant mortality was high, and also pre-technology society was labour intensive. Now we keep blobs of flesh alive in incubators till they breath on their own, and the majority of us mill around on the earth's crust justifying our existance in unproductive fields of work, obsessed with what we can acquire, not we have accomplished, confusing the two in the process. More of us, using more, wanting more,destroying more, whilst doing less, and achieving less. We need to be culled.

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If the girly-men of Europe had taken care of business then, a lot of people would have lived past the 1940's.




Same could be said of the uninterested men of the US who didnt didnt show up till 1942, better late than never all round though eh?

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Thank the lord President Bush did what needed to be done.




You know, what needed to be done was to wipe out Bin Laden and his infastructure as a direct response to the 9/11 attacks, everything else has been a BS campaign to control natural resources we have no inherent rights to. Why do we need them so badly? Oh yeah, because our natural resources will not sustain us- want to talk about overpopulation again
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#411683 - 11/15/08 06:10 PM Re: UN warns of brown cloud threat [Re: bcihak]
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uhm...MattJ, are you trying to bash me because of my remark in that 'Obama' thread? Just trying to clarify. You mention "seitz, Christy,.." twice in regard to some right wing type entity. Maybe you're talking about something completely different? Dunno, please clear this up.
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#411684 - 11/15/08 08:26 PM Re: UN warns of brown cloud threat [Re: Christy]
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Thank you Cord.

Christy -

I was referring to John Christy, noted skeptic and minority viewpoint contributor to the IPCC report. Please check the link I posted earlier. I don't tolerate uninformed bullsh1t, but I don't hold grudges, either.
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#411685 - 11/15/08 08:48 PM Re: UN warns of brown cloud threat [Re: MattJ]
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Kimo 2007 the real debate is just beginning. When I was growing up in the seventies it was the threat of global cooling. Try these sources for the debate that is over:

The Deniers, By Laurence Solomen which will give the names of scientists who doubt the hoax.
The Really Inconvenient Truth, by Iain Murray
Unstoppable Global Warming:Every 50,000 years, By Dennis Avery and S. Fred Singer.
Red Hot Lies By Christopher Horner( I heard him interviewed last week on Dennis Millers radio show)
And for a quick read on these subjects, The Politically Incorrect Guide on Global Warming, Which takes apart the IPCC report in one chapter.
As far as the overpopulation silliness goes, we can pack everyone on earth into the state of texas and have the same population density as New York city. If you'll notice as well, as societies become industrialized and wealthy the population starts to slow. You should read Mark Steyn's book America Alone, where he looks at the declining populations in the western industrial societies. I also have to say you are a bit of an elitist Cord for placing the judgement on how others make a living. Perhaps we should establish a committee to decide which lives are actually worth maintaing and then, if they fail to meet your judgement we could make them disapear. It never takes people on the overpopulated earth and global warming side of the argument very long to get to the lets get rid of large numbers of useless people so the enlightened people can live guilt free meaningful lives. If you notice, the guys on your side started the name calling first and you yourself have called for killing innocent people because they don't have intrinsic value. These are the ideas and thoughts I am talking about with the global warming and anti-population hoaxes. In each case they lead down the road of re-education camps and to killing people who do not think right. Shame on you Cord, even if you are a moderator.
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#411686 - 11/15/08 09:42 PM Re: UN warns of brown cloud threat [Re: bcihak]
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Well Bill,

If you read my statement, I said "people who are entitled to an opinion". I can see simply by your reading and reaction to Cords post, that you are not one of those people. I mean you practically have him building gas chambers, and if you draw that conclusion from his post, then I am really not much interested in your viewpoint on anything.

I put people like you in the catagorie of people who deny the Holocaust...you just don't get a seat at the table.

Anyway, enough about this. This is a MA site, not a political site so this thread should be shut down shortly.
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